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Re: You Are a Shaper! (Second Try)
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2017, 09:44:16 am »

"In the preservation of order while in a position of governance, maintaining the delicate economic balance present in our Empire is utterly essential. It is the nature of people to respond to the incentives and disincentives they are provided, and thus, to keep the citizens under one's authority content and obedient, one must always be careful to consider what incentives the current state of one's domain provides them to either obey your authority or rebel against it. This is a particularly pressing issue for us Shapers, due to how easy it is for us, imbued with the power of Shaping, to create unintentional consequences in our actions. This is mainly due to the effect Creations have on issues of available positions of labor and employment, as well as how content the common citizens of our domain are in fulfilling their given duties."

"When an idle regiment within our army is put to work fulfilling such tasks as digging entrenchments or building roads, it is inevitable that their commander shall hear such complaints as, "Why can't the Serviles do this? Isn't this what the Shapers made them for?" But on the other hand, if one creates enough Serviles to fulfill all tasks of brute labor without human aid, then all those people who previously found work and pay in such fields as construction and farming, will then find themselves bereft of gainful employment, and be left to fester in poverty and discontent. Thus is the problem revealed - if too many Creations are put to use to free up our fellow humans from unpleasant drudgery, than those groups who are unable who find other gainful employment shall be left in rebellious idleness, whereas if as few Creations as possible are put to work so as to preserve positions of employment for our citizens, than those who are able to find other gainful employment than labor, and who are nevertheless needed to fulfill these positions in the lack of enough Creations to do the job, shall then inevitably grumble and question why we Shapers, mighty as we are, do not simply conjure up more Creations to deal with the work. Thus, to ensure economic prosperity, we Shapers must ever seek a delicate balance in between the extremes of discontent idleness and discontent drudgery amongst our citizens."


- Excerpt from An Analysis of the Effects of Shaping on Economic Systems, by Mormont Alath, 22nd Shaper Governor of Othilas.

As the year continues, you manage to get yourself reassigned once more, this time to a project focusing on further development of the Shaper ability to control their Creations. This project is similarly advanced beyond your ability to comprehend, but once again, your observation still enlightens you further as to the nature of the essentials of Shaping - in this case, providing insight into the nature of a Shaper's connection to their Creations.

It seems that a Shapers maintains their control over their Creations due to bonds of Essence formed between the two during the act of Shaping the Creations into being on the part of the Shaper. The standard formula of Essence made use of by modern Shapers forms this bond between Creation and Shaper on its own, greatly easing the burden of control on the part of the Shaper. This connection does not allow a Shaper to directly control a Creations actions, but rather allows the Creation in questions to identify their ultimate master via their bond to them, and via exertion on the part of the Shaper, receive orders via the bond. The main limit on how many Creations a Shaper can maintain at one time, is how many they can reliably exert control over via the bonds, and how many of the bonds the Shaper in question can maintain at once. It is utterly unacceptable to any proper Shaper to allow even the slightest risk of losing control over one of their Creations. Your class, though they have made many different types of practice Creation at this point, have not been told to exert control over any of them yet, or even informed as to the existence of this bond - apparently it is a rather more difficult matter to control one's Creations than create them. You suppose this explains why Shapers are so insistent on maintaining discipline and focus, and are big fans of meditation - it must help quite a lot in exerting control over one's Creations.

The research team you got yourself assigned to are aiming to find a way to greatly increase Creation loyalty and responsiveness to orders via alterations to the brain - they are attempting to determine by what mechanics, exactly, is a creature inspired to loyalty or disloyalty, and how they might alter these mechanics to benefit the Shaper Order. At the moment, most brain-designs use simple positive-reinforcement to augment the loyalty to Shapers provided by Essence bonds, merely releasing small bursts of dopamine whenever an order is followed, meaning that most of the weight of maintaining control is left up to the Shaper to deal with, since a small amount of positive reinforcement is clearly not enough to ensure loyalty when a Shaper's control falters, even for a moment. The team hasn't had much luck, due to the extreme complexity of the brain, and how little knowledge Shapers possess of its inner workings. If they were to succeed, however, it would be a great boon to how much control Shapers can exert over their Creations.

In your free time, you continue to badger your unofficial mentor into giving you what insight they can into Shaping. Their tutorship greatly increases your Shaping ability, their insight borns from greater years of instruction doing much to increase your grasp of the Shaping arts. One inquiry of particular interest to you, is one of brains. You ask your tutor to elucidate you on the subject, and they tell you that neurology is an extremely advanced subject, completely untouched by most until they become full Shapers. Apparently the Shaper Order places great importance on deciphering the working of the brain in their entirety, and rumors amongst the older students here say that there are entire facilities solely dedicated to deciphered the inner mechanics of even small portions of the brain. Other than that, there's not much they can tell you.

Nothing much of interest seems to occur as your studies continue, the year progressing to its eighth month.

Do you continue to badger your senpai in your free time, or do something else? If you do, what specific inquiries do you have?

What manner of experiments and research do you continue to observe most closely?

- Alchemical experiments

- Development of new Creations

- Research into raw Essence manipulation

- Research into Essence-based enchantment

- Further refinement of ability to control Creations

- Other (write-in)

Great forces are stirring beneath the surface in the Shaper Empire. Soon a great upheaval will take place, unlike anything before experienced by the Empire - what shall be the spark that sets everything ablaze?

- A resurgence of ancient, dark arts, meddling with forces beyond human comprehension and inviting ruinous retribution in the realms of man.

- Arrogance and hubris on the part of a new generation of Shapers, abusing their powers and causing devastation and rebellion with their hazardous experimentation.

- The terrible retribution of a rogue experiment long thought eliminated, come back to exact their vengeance from their creators and bringing more dangerous creatures with them.

- Discontent festering into open rebellion on the part of oppressed Serviles and outsiders, the rebels seizing what secrets of the art of Shaping they can and lashing out against the rulers of the Empire with them.

- A forbidden artifact left to rot on a distant island, rediscovered and made use of by a power-hungry Shaper, who now seeks dominion over all of Terrestria.

- Other. (Write-in, subject to my approval)

When shall things come to a head?

- Within the year.

- Within four years.

- Within six years.

- Within ten years.

- Within twenty years.

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Whatever choice you choose as to the nature of the upheaval, there will be elements of each option present - the Geneforge isn't going to stop existing because you didn't pick its related option. You guys are just choosing which threat to the Empire is most pressing, and starts the whole clusterfuck off.

As to the choice of time, you're essentially choosing whether you're a prospective, apprentice, full-fledged Shaper or Shaper Governor when shit hits the fan. The more time you have until things start happening, the more powerful you'll be - but the more tightly bound to the traditional Shaper power structure you'll be. If you're a Shaper Governor and you try to join the rebels, the hammer's going to hit you far harder than if you were in a less important position.
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Re: You Are a Shaper! (Second Try)
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2017, 09:59:18 am »

The terrible retribution of a rogue experiment long though eliminated, come back to exact their vengeance from their creators and bringing more dangerous creatures with them.
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Re: You Are a Shaper! (Second Try)
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2017, 10:19:01 am »

What manner of experiments and research do you continue to observe most closely?
Research into raw Essence manipulation.

What shall be the spark that sets everything ablaze?
The terrible retribution of a rogue experiment long though eliminated, come back to exact their vengeance from their creators and bringing more dangerous creatures with them.

When shall things come to a head?
Within six years.

I like the idea of an alien invasion, it means that the power structures at home are less corrupt and incompetent, save for the earlier failure to neutralize the abomination.
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Re: You Are a Shaper! (Second Try)
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2017, 10:20:21 am »

What manner of experiments and research do you continue to observe most closely?
Research into raw Essence manipulation.

What shall be the spark that sets everything ablaze?
The terrible retribution of a rogue experiment long though eliminated, come back to exact their vengeance from their creators and bringing more dangerous creatures with them.

When shall things come to a head?
Within six years.

I like the idea of an alien invasion, it means that the power structures at home are less corrupt and incompetent, save for the earlier failure to neutralize the abomination.
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Re: You Are a Shaper! (Second Try)
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2017, 11:14:00 am »

- A resurgence of ancient, dark arts, meddling with forces beyond human comprehension and inviting ruinous retribution in the realms of man.

- within 10 years
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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2017, 11:36:11 am »

What manner of experiments and research do you continue to observe most closely?
Research into raw Essence manipulation.

What shall be the spark that sets everything ablaze?
The terrible retribution of a rogue experiment long though eliminated, come back to exact their vengeance from their creators and bringing more dangerous creatures with them.

When shall things come to a head?
Within six years.

I like the idea of an alien invasion, it means that the power structures at home are less corrupt and incompetent, save for the earlier failure to neutralize the abomination.
Full +1.
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Re: You Are a Shaper! (Second Try)
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2017, 02:30:42 pm »

What manner of experiments and research do you continue to observe most closely?
Research into raw Essence manipulation.

What shall be the spark that sets everything ablaze?
The terrible retribution of a rogue experiment long though eliminated, come back to exact their vengeance from their creators and bringing more dangerous creatures with them.

When shall things come to a head?
Within six years.j

I like the idea of an alien invasion, it means that the power structures at home are less corrupt and incompetent, save for the earlier failure to neutralize the abomination.
Full +1.
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Re: You Are a Shaper! (Second Try)
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2017, 01:12:18 pm »

"The main reason we employ human soldiers in our army pertains to the maintenance of the economic balance - you've read about that, yes? Well, in our army many citizens are gainfully employed who would otherwise not be - even if we restrain our use of Serviles enough to leave much labor to be done by human hands, there is only so much work to go around, and one unfortunate side effect of our Empire's prosperity is the tendency of successful people to have many children - I, personally, think we should prohibit the procreation of more than two children by any given family unit, but it seems the Council doesn't think that wise, since they have let our population grow unchecked for some time now... In any case, the army keeps busy many citizens who would otherwise grow discontent in idleness, and Creations still take the brunt of the casualties in most engagements. Thus, the equilibrium is maintained, for now. Now get back to work - it's too early in the morning for you to be hassling me just yet."

- Shaper Lasken to his understudy, Apprentice Halek.

As time passes, the remainder of your second year and the entirety of your third year at Ithlum pass like a blur as you studies continue, things progressing much the same as before. You get yourself re-assigned back to the research team attempting to figure out a way to alter the behavior of Essence absent the presence of a Shaper. Now that your education has progressed further, and you've found to the time to look up some of the more advanced terminology you have heard many of the researchers around the facility use, you can actually make sense of the majority of the team's discussions, and what they speak of is fascinating.

You've heard the researchers here reference a "standard formula" of Essence many times, and much of the literature you have read speaks of different types of Essence, but you were having difficulty finding anything that would go into the subject in more detail. Fortunately for you, this research project seems to be closely intertwined with the matter of alternative types of Essence. From what you have overheard of the research team's discussions, apparently the "corrupted Essence" you have heard tell of so many times since you arrived here is Essence that has originated from formulas that, intentionally or not, deviate heavily from the standard formula the Council has sanctioned for use in Shaping. As you have already realized, Essence itself is a semi-living thing that has ingrained responses to its attempted use by Shapers, which is intentional in its design - apparently, if one alters the formula on certain ways, these behaviors can change drastically, resulting in such things as Essence that Shapes itself - something that the Shaper Order finds utterly unacceptable. The research project you are attached to at the moment is trying to find a way to reprogram Essence in the absence of a Shaper's presence via some manner of bacteria, in order to release this virus in area such as the deep wastes of the Dera Reaches so as to bring the corrupted Essence pools that lie in such areas under Shaper control, so as to cut off the poisoning of the land and the attacks of twisted, malformed Creations at the source. They aren't having much luck, but once again, your observations net you some fascinating information as to the nature of Essence.

As your education continues, your instructors continue to grudgingly parcel out the occasional lessons on various topics. The propaganda lectures continue, but now more time is devoted to elucidating you and your classmates on the matter of alchemy as it pertains to Shaping. Many complex Creations are too taxing and involved to Shape into being on the spot in the same manner your class has been trained in up to this point. Thus, to get around this, Shapers Shape these creatures into being in an embryonic state, with instructions as to how to grow into their final forms ingrained deep within them, and then these proto-Creations are left to mature on their own inside of large vats filled with a special formula of Essence-infused nutrient-liquid designed to sustain said proto-Creation in their growth. This process, for all but the most complex Creations, tends to take a few weeks at most. As the Creation is not Shaped into being on the spot, however, it lacks any inherent Essence-bond to its creator, necessitating that the Shaper designated to control it create a bond between themselves and the Creation on their own, through their own ability to manipulate Essence. Your instructors state that you all will only begin to receive practice in guiding a Creation through the entirety of this process in your final year as Ithlum, but it is a matter os such complexity that you all shall be put to work memorizing every single aspect of the entire process completely until the time that you begin putting it to use.

Other than that, your instructors gradually give you all more and more responsibilities - and indirectly, they give you more free time to work with, as most of the tasks you are entrusted with are such that you can finish them early most of the time. These past three years have passed in a blur, and in only two more you shall be assigned to a fully-fledged Shaper, Agent or Guardian as their apprentice. Soon, you shall be but a step away from becoming a Shaper yourself.

What is your general opinion of the policies and competence of the Shaper order? What opinion do you hold on Creation and Outsider rights? How loyal are you to your fellow Shapers?

How do you spend your free time, and what research do you focus on observing in the next two years?

Who are you assigned to as an apprentice?

- Shanti, an Agent troubleshooter sent from settlement to settlement by the Council to deal with persistent problems in the area and evaluate the competence of the local Shapers, as well as sniff out any possible incidents of illegal Shaping.

- Andras, Guardian Lieutenant of Fort Sakoth, a small military installation located on the edges of the deep wastes tasked to eliminated any rogue Creations that lurch out of the wastes, and to locate and report the positions of any corrupted Essence pools, permanent rogue nests, or remaining laboratories and ruins yet to be found in the wastes.

- Rawal, Shaper Researcher assigned as an aid to the Desoth Foundry, one of four facilities dedicated to the intensive testing, observation and categorization of experimental Creations submitted to be evaluated as potential improvements over existing designs.

***

I'm not a big fan of the Vahnatai, I feel like Jeff could have come up with a more interesting subterranean species than magical greys to populate lower Avernum. I also fucking LOVE dragons. So I'll be sticking to the Drakons in this SG as the super-forbidden Creation type thats going to be coming back to fuck everything up.
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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2017, 01:44:02 pm »

We are loyal and also unintetested in politics.

We spend our free time building a study group and we concentrate on alchemy.

We are assigned to rawal.
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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2017, 04:15:10 pm »

We are loyal.  We are dismissive of outsider and creation rights.  The competence of the Shaper order is absolute.

We spend our free time building a study group.  In the study group, we focus socially on improving our connections to the other students, and we focus academically on improving our understanding of healing magic.

We are assigned to Shanti.
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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2017, 05:14:31 pm »

We are loyal to the Order. It fed and raised us, after all. Self-shaping essence brings questions though. Can we shape ourselves? Were we shaped by something else? Are we just Essence?

I say we start getting into using our knowledge to enhance our efficiency in creating shaped creatures.

We should be assigned to Rawal.
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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2017, 10:30:11 pm »

What is your general opinion of the policies and competence of the Shaper order?
We see inherent problems in the way the order handles dissent and discord. Due to fear of catastrophe, the order tends to rigorously suppress new, untested ideas, though this is not universal. Because of the stern party line, many Shapers appear to speak disingenuously, keeping their mouths shut instead of asking questions that could be considered novel or new. This prevents these questions from being answered, leading the less lawful and more curious sort to dangerous independent experimentation.
TL;DR: Shapers are compentent, but they are cautious to the point of creating difficulty for themselves down the road.

What opinion do you hold on Creation and Outsider rights?
We hold that creations and outsiders are valuable resources that should not be needlessly wasted. This stance leaves room for preferential treatment for insiders and shapers and ensures that we are not killing our own purely due to some some nebulous sense of universal equity and justice.

How loyal are you to your fellow Shapers?

We are loyal, willing to trust orders and suspend judgement. This does not mean that we do not realize the many flaws in the system; we merely don't yet feel that our ideas are any better.

How do you spend your free time?
We spend our free time building a study group.  In the study group, we focus socially on improving our connections to the other students.
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What research do you focus on observing in the next two years?

Alchemy

Who are you assigned to as an apprentice?
Rawal EDIT: Andras

OOC: It interests me that in this universe, success and prosperity lead to multiplied progeny. This is exactly the opposite of the way things work in the real world where poverty and large families walk hand-in-hand.
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« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2017, 12:29:41 am »

What is your general opinion of the policies and competence of the Shaper order?
We see inherent problems in the way the order handles dissent and discord. Due to fear of catastrophe, the order tends to rigorously suppress new, untested ideas, though this is not universal. Because of the stern party line, many Shapers appear to speak disingenuously, keeping their mouths shut instead of asking questions that could be considered novel or new. This prevents these questions from being answered, leading the less lawful and more curious sort to dangerous independent experimentation.
TL;DR: Shapers are compentent, but they are cautious to the point of creating difficulty for themselves down the road.

What opinion do you hold on Creation and Outsider rights?
We hold that creations and outsiders are valuable resources that should not be needlessly wasted. This stance leaves room for preferential treatment for insiders and shapers and ensures that we are not killing our own purely due to some some nebulous sense of universal equity and justice.

How loyal are you to your fellow Shapers?

We are loyal, willing to trust orders and suspend judgement. This does not mean that we do not realize the many flaws in the system; we merely don't yet feel that our ideas are any better.

How do you spend your free time?
We spend our free time building a study group.  In the study group, we focus socially on improving our connections to the other students.
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What research do you focus on observing in the next two years?

Alchemy
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Apprenticeship: Andras, his job should give lots of practical experience with corrupted evidence and forbidden science labs.
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« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2017, 10:22:04 am »

I'm going to wait to update for real until we have a clear winner in terms of what Morden is like and who he's assigned to, but as to the people having more children thing, although today people do seem to have less children on average the better off they are, and more the worse off they are, historically people in general reproduced like crazy no matter what position in society they held, and in the case of my version of the Geneforge verse, its not so much a matter of people reproducing more, but the children they do have being much more likely to survive to adulthood due to Shaper medicine. I hope that clears that up.
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« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2017, 10:53:59 am »

. . . as to the people having more children thing, although today people do seem to have less children on average the better off they are, and more the worse off they are, historically people in general reproduced like crazy no matter what position in society they held, and in the case of my version of the Geneforge verse, its not so much a matter of people reproducing more, but the children they do have being much more likely to survive to adulthood due to Shaper medicine. I hope that clears that up.

Makes sense. I was not interested in the sense that you did something wrong, I just was curious.
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