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Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« on: November 28, 2017, 02:46:59 pm »

Hi Urists,

I am trying to make a longtime goal of mine come true by creating a fort with all the books.  I want copies of everything... if I have to send an agent to steal every bloody book, I will.  Is there any way to force a specific volume to be kept in one library instead of another?  I would like to have a "citizens only" library deep in the fort which contains the originals, and another public library upstairs that has copies which is available to traveling scholars.  It's an additional challenge, given my propensity for starting forts in the middle of goblin country on an evil glacier, but there we are.  Also, books don't seem to be displayable in the new display cases... has anyone else had any luck making them work?
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2017, 02:52:52 pm »

I don't know if there's a way to forbid a library from visitors, but you could lock all the originals in a vault. Seal it unless you have to retrieve/copy something.

You can make a copy of a copy, can you not?
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2017, 08:46:32 pm »

Have a vampire scribe locked in with many books and have him copy everything, while dropping new materials through the roof as needed. Then, have him (D)ump finished volumes through the floor where they can be picked up by other dwarves and placed in your other library.
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2017, 10:40:10 pm »

I actually wanted this too, but for separating different topics. Do tell if you find a working solution.
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2017, 07:44:58 am »

I like Overseer's solution, though not having a vampire at hand that's a bit of work... I have bad luck with vampires.  They don't like my forts.

Yes, copies of copies are common.  I sell them myself   ;)
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2017, 09:20:48 am »

I like Overseer's solution, though not having a vampire at hand that's a bit of work... I have bad luck with vampires.  They don't like my forts.

Yes, copies of copies are common.  I sell them myself   ;)

You could have a mortal dwarf doing this still, just dump down food/drink as well, and provide him/her with nice living quarters off the library.
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2017, 01:55:24 pm »

You could try using a display case to hold originals in a secure library, and release the books you want copies of as needed. I'm a derp.
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2017, 02:07:11 pm »

Why bother with vamps? 
If there's a tower on your map, you library's readers will quite quickly learn certain... secrets.
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2017, 02:22:32 pm »

I like Overseer's solution, though not having a vampire at hand that's a bit of work... I have bad luck with vampires.  They don't like my forts.

Yes, copies of copies are common.  I sell them myself   ;)

You could have a mortal dwarf doing this still, just dump down food/drink as well, and provide him/her with nice living quarters off the library.

I second these as the best options. Hunnerd percent.
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2017, 03:42:46 pm »

I like Overseer's solution, though not having a vampire at hand that's a bit of work... I have bad luck with vampires.  They don't like my forts.

Yes, copies of copies are common.  I sell them myself   ;)

You could have a mortal dwarf doing this still, just dump down food/drink as well, and provide him/her with nice living quarters off the library.

I second these as the best options. Hunnerd percent.

This, or you could give them a muddy patch, 3-6 pots, a choppy-choppy food prepper, a boozery, threa mixer-upper, sewy pricky-finger thimble workshop, and a few pigtail seeds. If you're feeling fancy, add: a quern, a few bags, a dimple cup seed.

It wouldn't be much, but they'd be self-sufficient. Set up specific orders with specific stockpiles, make sure he only farms 1 season out of the year, and you should be good.
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2017, 08:43:56 pm »

Hi Urists,

I am trying to make a longtime goal of mine come true by creating a fort with all the books.  I want copies of everything... if I have to send an agent to steal every bloody book, I will.  Is there any way to force a specific volume to be kept in one library instead of another?  I would like to have a "citizens only" library deep in the fort which contains the originals, and another public library upstairs that has copies which is available to traveling scholars.  It's an additional challenge, given my propensity for starting forts in the middle of goblin country on an evil glacier, but there we are.  Also, books don't seem to be displayable in the new display cases... has anyone else had any luck making them work?

I'm back after a long hiatus, though I have been fortress-ing for a while. My effort to make intellectual forts (i.e. every single fort I make these days has to have a library) consist of buying copies of books and then re-copying them.

You'll have a hard time storing the originals unless you do a lot of micro. You can set a certain amount of copies of a book to be made, though (i.e. 10).

Display cases I believe are for artifacts and items that can't normally be stored or don't normally get stored. That means, storage of an artifact scepter, and of small figurines. This means all the finished goods have uses, if only in display museums. Bookcases are used for book-storage, as always.
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2017, 09:07:58 pm »

Hi Urists,

I am trying to make a longtime goal of mine come true by creating a fort with all the books.  I want copies of everything... if I have to send an agent to steal every bloody book, I will.  Is there any way to force a specific volume to be kept in one library instead of another?  I would like to have a "citizens only" library deep in the fort which contains the originals, and another public library upstairs that has copies which is available to traveling scholars.  It's an additional challenge, given my propensity for starting forts in the middle of goblin country on an evil glacier, but there we are.  Also, books don't seem to be displayable in the new display cases... has anyone else had any luck making them work?

I'm back after a long hiatus, though I have been fortress-ing for a while. My effort to make intellectual forts (i.e. every single fort I make these days has to have a library) consist of buying copies of books and then re-copying them.

You'll have a hard time storing the originals unless you do a lot of micro. You can set a certain amount of copies of a book to be made, though (i.e. 10).

Display cases I believe are for artifacts and items that can't normally be stored or don't normally get stored. That means, storage of an artifact scepter, and of small figurines. This means all the finished goods have uses, if only in display museums. Bookcases are used for book-storage, as always.

False. Artifacts are the default, but you can select pretty much anything.
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2017, 09:24:20 pm »

Hi Urists,

I am trying to make a longtime goal of mine come true by creating a fort with all the books.  I want copies of everything... if I have to send an agent to steal every bloody book, I will.  Is there any way to force a specific volume to be kept in one library instead of another?  I would like to have a "citizens only" library deep in the fort which contains the originals, and another public library upstairs that has copies which is available to traveling scholars.  It's an additional challenge, given my propensity for starting forts in the middle of goblin country on an evil glacier, but there we are.  Also, books don't seem to be displayable in the new display cases... has anyone else had any luck making them work?

I'm back after a long hiatus, though I have been fortress-ing for a while. My effort to make intellectual forts (i.e. every single fort I make these days has to have a library) consist of buying copies of books and then re-copying them.

You'll have a hard time storing the originals unless you do a lot of micro. You can set a certain amount of copies of a book to be made, though (i.e. 10).

Display cases I believe are for artifacts and items that can't normally be stored or don't normally get stored. That means, storage of an artifact scepter, and of small figurines. This means all the finished goods have uses, if only in display museums. Bookcases are used for book-storage, as always.

False. Artifacts are the default, but you can select pretty much anything.

Adding to this, most finished goods do actually have somewhat of a use now, as a dwarf will sometimes keep a finished good for themselves if they haul it somewhere I believe. I have had several dwarves carrying around a multitude of scepters in each hand, amusingly enough the weaker dwarves are slowed to a crawl from their lead scepter obsession. However, they get the extravagant need fulfilled from this, and a happy thought, so it's alright by me. Same goes for amulets and crowns, which are worn on the head, rings which are worn on the fingers, and earrings which are worn on the, well, ear.
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Re: Looting Our Way to the Great Library
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2017, 07:46:56 pm »

Why bother with vamps? 
If there's a tower on your map, you library's readers will quite quickly learn certain... secrets.
Goblin residents are also an option, if you have any. (Unless you mod them to eat and drink, like I do.)
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2017, 01:41:35 pm »

A were-librarian would be fun.  One day a month, he will trash the place.  Then clean up the rest of the month.
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