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ShinyandKittens

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Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« on: November 27, 2017, 07:31:16 pm »

That’s all!

I think that “Uncanny Miner” would sound cool and make sense, and “Uncanny Fish cleaner” would be amusing.
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2017, 07:34:08 pm »

Wouldn't uncanny be well below legendary?
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2017, 09:10:03 pm »

Wouldn't uncanny be well below legendary?

Legendary means “remarkable enough to be famous”

Uncanny means “supernaturally”

I think “supernaturally” wins.
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2017, 09:48:54 pm »

Uncanny means weirdly good, like so good it's offputting. Legendary>uncanny.
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2017, 11:03:08 pm »

Uncanny means weirdly good, like so good it's offputting. Legendary>uncanny.

So good it strikes fear and wonder into your peers is probably greater than legendary.
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2017, 12:18:05 am »

I guess this means if you have an X-men mod you could get your uncanny X-men.

But I disagree that uncanny should replace legendary+5 as a superlative.  Hulk has uncanny strength, but it didn't come from training and experience, he just has it.  Uncanny = supernatural as you say, and thus it isn't anything to do with natural talent, skill, and learning.  Or in other words, uncanny is just too out of place as a measure of experience.
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 12:27:12 am »

Uncanny could, however, replace the mood skill boost.
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2017, 03:31:18 am »

Or uncanny could be a seperate classification. Uncanny would technically be +1-+5 Legendary, only that it wasn't gained by training but by something supernatural.

Causes for these uncanny skill boosts could be:
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-Night Creature Secretions
-Weather in Good or Bad Regions (e.g. A gas that makes people want to do clothwork and they gain uncanny weaver abilities but they start to turn into gcs slowly)
-Blessings/Curses cast by Mages (Key is the procedural nature of df, a mage might bless a man with uncanny wrestling skill and rage, but this would in turn make him prone to throw fits and to fight in general, which combined with heightened abilities is a blessing to him but a curse for all who cross him)
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2017, 10:25:45 am »

@Detoxicated

I'd probably add mood-acquired skill ranks into that list.
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2017, 12:58:05 pm »

What about mythic or godlike?

Legendary means “remarkable enough to be famous”

Uncanny means “supernaturally”

I think “supernaturally” wins.
legendary:
1. of, described in, or based on legends
2. remarkable enough to be famous; very well known

Definition 1 is equivalent to "epic". As in, to be compared with epic heroes such as Beowulf or Odysseus.
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2017, 02:02:12 pm »

I consider "legendary" to mean people will keep talking about how skilled you were for hundreds of years.
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2017, 02:49:50 pm »

@Detoxicated

I'd probably add mood-acquired skill ranks into that list.
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2017, 09:47:31 pm »

Really, miners should not be legendary. Nobody makes legends about how fast someone mines rock.

I agree that legendary is better than uncanny though. Uncanny does mean seeming supernatural, but legendary means story-worthy.

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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2017, 10:34:19 pm »

Really, miners should not be legendary. Nobody makes legends about how fast someone mines rock.

I agree that legendary is better than uncanny though. Uncanny does mean seeming supernatural, but legendary means story-worthy.
Yeah, "legendary" as a skill rank is kind of silly now that there's an actual, in-depth reputation and rumours system in the game.
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Re: Change legendary +5 to “Uncanny”
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2017, 12:48:09 am »

Really, miners should not be legendary. Nobody makes legends about how fast someone mines rock.
Except for John Henry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore)

But I'll echo "Uncanny" as meaning "beyond Grandmaster, but through other means than experience". Perhaps it could be functionally different from Legendary as well: Let's say you have two Stone Crafters--one worked his way up the ranks to become a Legendary+5, the other got a strange mood as a child and became Uncanny. The Legendary has a high chance of creating an ☼item☼, and a low chance of creating an -item- . . . that is, both the upper AND lower ends of his quality curve have been adjusted to reflect his skill. The Uncanny, in contrast, has a high chance of creating an ☼item☼, and a high chance of creating an -item- : thanks to her mood, the upper limit of her quality curve has been raised to the maximum, but the only way she can raise the lower end is by actively practicing the art of stonecrafting.
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