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94dima94

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Endless war between two dead civilizations
« on: November 23, 2017, 07:22:20 am »

I don't know if this is a known issue, as I only recently started playing around with Legends Viewer again.

So, in the world I just generated (up to year 125), the only currently ongoing war is a conflict between elves and humans; both these civilizations are not on the world map, are completely empty, and for both the "last known sites" were in the year 123, meaning for the last 2 years both the civilizations in the conflict have been dead.

The last event in the humans' history is a battle they lost in year 67; the last events for elves involve various historical figures linking to the civ, but they all stop in the year 80.
Checking the sites, there are still hamlets and retreats in the world, but all of them are only inhabited by various animals, no humans, elves or any other intelligent creature.

Is this something common, wars never stopping because the two civilizations involved are dead and gone before properly ending the fight?
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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2017, 07:41:18 am »

Yes it is common.  If one side is too badly damaged and the other side is still not inclined to make peace the war can go until there is nobody left in a [MILITARY_GOALS] position to make peace.  If the winning side is then wiped out in turn by a third party, which is fairly common because they are weaker as a result of the losses of the war, they also do not have any position that can make peace.  Hence we end with eternal wars that do not do anything. 
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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2017, 07:44:48 am »

Thanks for the answer. By the way, are hamlets and retreats inhabited by animals normal too?
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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2017, 12:11:12 pm »

The animal populations are not removed after normal inhabitants die. I saw it quite a few times.
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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2017, 02:43:07 pm »

The animal populations are not removed after normal inhabitants die. I saw it quite a few times.

I do not really see how it is exactly unrealistic. 
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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2017, 07:40:28 am »

Now I desire to see two civs raising as ghosts and fighting for eternity



The animal populations are not removed after normal inhabitants die. I saw it quite a few times.

I do not really see how it is exactly unrealistic. 

Maybe he was talking about civs having only animals as inhabitants? And never counting as dead because there is somewhere in the hamlet the venerable Mr. Horsington Horseshoe  descendant of the horses that were owned by humans before their fall
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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 07:52:07 am »

In the current version, horses talk on occassion and feel the need to commune with their Gods. I'd say that qualifies them to carry on a civilization. There's even the as yet unsolved, incredibly rare edge case of 'horse' being a selectable adventurer race under the right conditions (mostly solved, but last report on the matter was that it could still happen - don't think anyone's noticed it yet).
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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2017, 08:53:22 am »

In the current version, horses talk on occassion and feel the need to commune with their Gods. I'd say that qualifies them to carry on a civilization. There's even the as yet unsolved, incredibly rare edge case of 'horse' being a selectable adventurer race under the right conditions (mostly solved, but last report on the matter was that it could still happen - don't think anyone's noticed it yet).

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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2017, 09:08:40 pm »

Now I desire to see two civs raising as ghosts and fighting for eternity
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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2017, 09:44:17 am »

In the current version, horses talk on occassion and feel the need to commune with their Gods. I'd say that qualifies them to carry on a civilization. There's even the as yet unsolved, incredibly rare edge case of 'horse' being a selectable adventurer race under the right conditions (mostly solved, but last report on the matter was that it could still happen - don't think anyone's noticed it yet).
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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2017, 04:16:38 pm »

Now I desire to see two civs raising as ghosts and fighting for eternity


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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2017, 08:50:14 pm »

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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2017, 03:02:31 am »

In the current version, horses talk on occassion and feel the need to commune with their Gods. I'd say that qualifies them to carry on a civilization. There's even the as yet unsolved, incredibly rare edge case of 'horse' being a selectable adventurer race under the right conditions (mostly solved, but last report on the matter was that it could still happen - don't think anyone's noticed it yet).
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Re: Endless war between two dead civilizations
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2017, 07:10:10 am »

Endless war between two dead civilizations?
This kind of thing happens in real life too.
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-20/news/mn-10468_1_ancient-carthage
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