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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #420 on: November 07, 2019, 01:15:53 pm »

Not surprising to me....

It's like:

Level 1: Treadmills and floor space.
Level 2: A rack with dumbbells.
Level 3: An actual bench press and cable machines.
Level 4: An actual squat rack, pullup bar and hipsled.
Level 5: All the crazy equipment you see at fully featured gyms, like trap bars and various kinds of barbells, sleds, etc...

I guess I haven't been to enough gyms to notice these variations. I prefer to workout in my home so the few gyms that I know of, do make sure to display that they have such and such equipment.

If I could afford adjustable dumbbells right now, I wouldn't be bothering with a gym membership. Right now I have one 15lb and one 20lb, and a cheap jumprope for warming up if it's nice out.

Fair enough :)
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #421 on: November 22, 2019, 05:59:30 pm »

Two videos to share, both from Renaissance Periodization.

A disclaimer first: RP is a great channel. They are very rigorous and very scientific with how they think about training. Perhaps too much so for many people. There is no bullshit, no hype, no supplements, no skits, no humor just knowledge and numbers and Dr. Mike Israetel's enormous traps. I picked these videos because they're NOT your average RP video; they don't include numbers or a shit load of acronyms like R.P.E or M.R.V or any of that stuff. It's mostly simple, conversational wisdom.

So video #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FAbbTKuD5g

Fat Loss RATES. I found this video very affirming because it speaks to something I've been coming to over the last year: there are RATES of fat loss. All get you to the same place but they involve different protocols, have different pros and cons and very different time frames. I've been on the extreme low end of fat loss, to the point I've had some issues (as I've noted here) of occasionally wondering if I'm actually getting anywhere or not. On the flip side, there's rapid fat loss, which to me carries a lot more potential failure points versus a slower fat loss rate. They advocate for something in the middle for most people. Not so fast you get a whiplash effect or get crushed by hunger and fall off the wagon, but not so slow that you have problems tracking what's happening and seeing progress. To me, as long as you're consistent, time doesn't really matter. Time is a mental construct when it comes to body transformation and recomposition. By that I mean, you create arbitrary deadlines in your head for the most part. Unless you're an athlete or an actor or your job depends on how you look and your physical performance, time isn't something most people should worry about EXCEPT in how it affects their motivation. If you NEED to see results to keep you on track, then time is a relevant variable. However if you've come to enjoy the process, and you're still making progress....then you're not really "dieting." You've graduated from dieting to "lifestyle." Most of the people on Youtube I follow stress that lifestyle is vastly more important than any training or nutritional protocol that is short term in nature. If you can make eating reasonable calories and working out regularly a lifestyle, then time frames don't matter. You're going to do it regardless, and you'll reap the benefits over time as they come however long that takes.

Video #2 goes right along with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bgPIAb_cw8

Motivation. Why are you doing what you're doing? And it goes along with what I said above: when you can start working out because you just enjoy the process, everything comes easier. Making the right nutrition choices to fuel your workouts, leads to better workouts, leads to better results and it all starts because the training itself is important to you. It's why I go to the gym super consistently, even on days I don't really want to.....because the act of training is that important to me now. I realize if I don't train, I won't grow. I'll regress even. I'll stop burning as many calories. Stop losing body fat and even start adding it back. My minimal gains will diminish, my strength will diminish and I'll fall out of the rhythm that has kept me going these last few years. But beyond the consequences of not working out, there are days I just. Want. To. Train. I want that pump. I want that burn. I want that flex and stretch. I want the process and the pain of the training process. And in truth, I've never had a workout I've regretted. Even ones where I've legitimately injured myself. Why? Because I learned something. I learned what not to do. I learned what the warning signs are that something is going wrong. I learned where my current limits are. And on days when I didn't really feel like working out but did anyways.....I've never walked out of one of those sessions going "man I wish I hadn't spent my time doing that." Never. It's amazing to me how I can go from dragging myself to the gym...to exiting feeling that "fuck yeah" feeling that I didn't have when I walked in.

Like last night I felt myself getting amped up for today's workout. Can't wait to go "crush" squats and deadlifts. Today, near the end of the work day, it's Friday, there's my Friday night ahead of me to enjoy....that same motivation isn't there. I start thinking "maybe I can just skip it this week......" So you can't ALWAYS rely on motivation to help you cross that threshold. You can't be excited to train every single day you plan it on, the mind and body just don't work like that and I don't care what any hot head youtuber says. No one ever shoots a youtube video when they're NOT motivated. You only see fitness professionals professing the way things are when they're fired up, when they're motivated. They have their sluggish training days like anyone else. So when that visceral motivation isn't present....that's when you have to rely on discipline. And through the process of working out that day, somewhere in the early or middle part of my workout, that discipline turns back INTO motivation. "I'm here, I'm sweating, I know how much I have ahead of me to do, let's fucking DO IT."

Lastly.....when you can come to love the process itself, as RP puts its "Everything else falls in to place. You can pick whatever goal you want, it doesn't really matter. At that point it just becomes your excuse to train, not your reason for training." Because eventually you will achieve your goal and chances are......it will not really change you. You won't be a different person by virtue of the fact you have a six pack, or 8% body fat, or hit your PR goal of a 300 pound deadlift or whatever. The goal isn't what changes you. It's the process that changes who you are as a person, and you may only realize that some time AFTER you've reached your goals. Of course, depending on how dramatically you changed your habits as you've gone through the process, maybe you'll get to enjoy that realization sooner rather than later.
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #422 on: November 22, 2019, 09:05:33 pm »


If I could afford adjustable dumbbells right now, I wouldn't be bothering with a gym membership. Right now I have one 15lb and one 20lb, and a cheap jumprope for warming up if it's nice out.

Well I started with a set of adjustable dumbbells with the plastic-coated concrete plates (a couple of sets, this is the cheapest way to get the iron bars plus some plates) then you can add standard weight plates later. I got mine from KMart for $29.00 each set (that's 19 kilos of weight plates and 2 1-kilo metal bars. Which is ironically cheaper than I'd have to pay to buy the bars without any plates. Here's the Australian link to the product:
https://www.kmart.com.au/product/plastic-weight-set---20kg/719365
I'd be surprised if you don't have the same thing or very similar available.
The concrete plates will last years, unless you slam them down like a maniac. I had to glue one or two (out of about 30 plates) because they eventually got a crack in the plastic.
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #423 on: November 22, 2019, 09:12:20 pm »

I wouldn't say even slamming them down like a maniac. If they're like the ones I had when I was in my teens, dropping them a couple times from 6 inches or higher can crack the plastic, once it has aged enough and become brittle, quality withstanding, etc...
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Quote from: Viktor Frankl
When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.
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Its kinda silly to complain that a friendly NPC isn't a well designed boss fight.
Quote from: Eric Blank
How will I cheese now assholes?
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #424 on: November 22, 2019, 09:13:24 pm »

Idk but I've had these for 5 years, none actually broken yet. Only two got a tiny bit of sandy-stuff trickling out, and had to patch them with superglue. More because it was annoying. Had a slight crack on one along a seam, a little superglue fixed that, and another one recently had the rubber stopper pop out (it's the spot where they originally poured the concrete in, I'm guessing) so I put the stopper back in and stuck a little gaffa tape over that spot. Still, 100% of the plates i got back in 2014 are perfectly usable.

I've only been swapping them out for metal ones since metal ones are more compact so I can boost the bar weight higher. With concrete-only the maximum that'll fit on the bars is about 15KG, so I got 5 KG metal plates (base of 11 KG per side with 2 5KG plates per side) then pad the rest with the concrete ones to expand from there. Now however I use 4 x 5KG plates to go over 21 KG and add the concrete ones to expand from there.
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #425 on: November 23, 2019, 12:35:27 am »

Dammit, I accidentally bought strawberry flavor

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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #426 on: December 04, 2019, 02:00:19 pm »

I fucking hate leg days and I fucking hate even more that I've been slacking off on my workouts for the past three months. Going anywhere on foot is going to be a real bitch for the next couple of days...

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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #427 on: December 04, 2019, 03:01:50 pm »

Yeah but that crippling soreness tells you that you did the work.

I hate leg days, but for the actual doing of the work, not the consequences that come afterward. Like lately I don't know what it is, but my squats have been feeling wrong. My form has started breaking down in places it didn't used to, and the same weights are feeling dramatically more difficult. Not sure what's going on.

That and I still just don't feel comfortable with dead lifts still, after all these months. I do them, have made new PRs but I constantly worry about my lower back. It gets tight during the workout and as I'm walking back home I always wonder....am I going to seize up later? Hasn't happened yet and my back goes back to feeling mostly normal within a day or two. I just kinda wish I could attack leg day the same way I attack most of my other training days, but I always feel like I'm holding back on leg days due to the potential risk of injury.
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #428 on: December 04, 2019, 03:24:27 pm »

My squat form was apparently bad enough to make my hip rebel, so I had to lay off them completely for a couple weeks. I'm trying to work them back into the routine, but I've decided to drop the weight a little more and go for higher reps instead, for the moment. Not as effective strength training, no, but the added repetition should help get the form under control until I find what works.

Also fun on leg days: Walking back home on ice. Winter wonderland, y'all.

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« Reply #429 on: December 04, 2019, 03:45:21 pm »

Careful with that. If you slip and your body needs to make a quick, sharp correction, being that you've just trained you could be at risk for a tear or something. When your muscles have to make sharp, reflexive corrections and they're already tired and stressed, they're more vulnerable to injury.
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When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.
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Its kinda silly to complain that a friendly NPC isn't a well designed boss fight.
Quote from: Eric Blank
How will I cheese now assholes?
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Always spaghetti, never forghetti

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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #430 on: December 04, 2019, 08:36:48 pm »

Can anyone recommend an effective Probiotic from personal experience? I've been having some digestion issues of late, which I don't understand because my diet is pretty consistent. Short of contamination, I don't see a reason why I'm having the issues I am.

Activa has been thoroughly debunked as shipping with large amounts of dead probiotics. So I'm just looking for a recommendation where the cultures are mostly alive and it doesn't cost a fortune to maintain the supply.
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Quote from: Eric Blank
How will I cheese now assholes?
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Always spaghetti, never forghetti

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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #431 on: December 05, 2019, 04:56:52 am »

Probiotic treatment in general has been debunked as being either ineffective or specifically unhelpful, as we really don't know that much about gut flora composition in individuals. The only tried, proven method of quickly restoring healthy flora balance is a self-donor fecal transplant... Which, y'know, you kinda have to plan ahead for. Among other things.

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« Reply #432 on: December 05, 2019, 06:50:11 am »

I saw a British doco comparing various "remedies" you pay for, which did jack squat, vs cheap remedies, which actually worked. One comparison was probiotics vs dandelion. Dandelion was much more effective a a probiotic vs the "products" but they don't promote it because you can't really profit from pushing dandelion. One the doco they had someone taking probiotics for 2 weeks vs someone eating a little dandelion and then doctors checked them out. The probiotic person had no change at all while the dandelion person had gut microbe bonanza going on. Dandelion and some other vegetables are just much better probiotics than almost all the "products" aimed at this. It's snake oil that isn't even required to be clinically tested.

Then again, it could even be marketing hype that "probiotics" are even needed for your specific problem, and it's nothing to do with that.

Similarly, salt water gargling is much more effective at warding off respiratory infections than vitamin C or pretty much any other "product" but there's no money to be made pushing table salt.
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« Reply #433 on: December 05, 2019, 07:09:38 am »

Then again, it could even be marketing hype that "probiotics" are even needed for your specific problem, and it's nothing to do with that.
I think this probably has a fair amount to do with it; it's not like the dairy industry hasn't pushed health trends to sell more products before.

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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #434 on: December 06, 2019, 10:19:02 am »

Leg day soreness kicked in last night. On the good news it seems like I've finally managed to do some proper work on my hamstrings, confirming my feeling that I had a better form when doing romanian deadlifts this time. Yay.
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