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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #165 on: January 12, 2018, 09:06:13 pm »

Ever since you made that observation I've been made painfully aware of how tense the backs of my shoulders are.

I may have to join you at this point.

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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #166 on: January 13, 2018, 03:21:45 am »

I've actually been working my rear delts a bit since you pointed that out, nenj, and I swear my posture feels better right after I do it while the muscles are tensed from the workout. Thanks for the post, it's something I'd noticed about my shoulders but never been able to articulate.
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #167 on: January 13, 2018, 05:33:46 am »

I, too, am a Sir Hunchalot, I fear. I hunch at work, for I am too tall for the equipment, and I am usually stuffed into the freezer, which means that I hunch even more due to the cold. When I am home, I hunch as I write, I hunch as I play games, I hunch as I sketch... The only time of day that I keep a healthier posture is when I sleep or watch the telly. It is an awful lot of hunching, and one really ought to exercise with that in mind.

Now, the only fitness activity that I tolerate is swimming. I do not really know my way around muscles and how to best train them, so I wonder if it would be possible to do hunch-compensating swimming, too. Backstrokes might help?

I do have a pair of dumbbells. They sit on the floor and glares at me, until I dust them. I even use them now and then. Any suggestions of what a chap could do with dumbbells to help with hunch-injured shoulders?
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #168 on: January 13, 2018, 08:59:46 am »

I can't remember what they're called, but plant your feet shoulder width apart, bend forwards with your arms hanging down so the dumbbells are below your chest, and raise your arms outwards aero-plane style. Hold them at the apex for a moment, and slowly lower them. Do as many reps as you can, I guess? Then pause and go again.
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #169 on: January 13, 2018, 11:29:31 am »

I can't remember what they're called, but plant your feet shoulder width apart, bend forwards with your arms hanging down so the dumbbells are below your chest, and raise your arms outwards aero-plane style. Hold them at the apex for a moment, and slowly lower them. Do as many reps as you can, I guess? Then pause and go again.

That might work. Bend forward, however, as a bow or from the waist upwards? Thank you kindly for the tip.
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« Reply #170 on: January 13, 2018, 01:20:37 pm »

As a bow, like you're going to touch your toes. There's no need to actually stretch, though, as I understand it; the purpose is just to get your arms into a position where you're lifting with your rear delts.
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #171 on: January 13, 2018, 03:02:42 pm »

Because our postures cause us to lean forward (and most likely not fully extended our torso through our spine, but rather slouch), the best way to compensate is to strengthen the under worked areas.

There's a few things you could do.

Arx's suggestion is not a bad one. IIRC it's called a dumbbell reverse fly.

Basically there are several muscle groups in the back and shoulder you could work to pull help pull you back in to alignment and balance over time. You can google any of these exercise names to get some youtube examples of how to do them.

-Face pulls. Requires a machine or a resistance band. This will work your rhomboids (big back muscles by your shoulder blades), rear delt, shoulder girdle, maybe even a little bit of your rear traps. (The muscle that runs between your shoulder and neck. Over developed front traps are also a symptom of computer use and hunching.) This is probably one of the best exercises for the upper back and shoulder girdle. Pulling with two hands directly toward your face tends to align and balance both sides of your shoulders.

-Bent over dumbbell fly. This works many of the areas of the back, including the lats to some degree.

-Bent over dumbbell row. Usually done with a barbell instead of dumbbells, but can be done either way. Again it will hit your rear delt, rhomboids, maybe a little rear trap.

-Single arm bent over dumbbell raise. This can target either the lats or rear delt or a bit of both depending on your form. This is the one I'm currently working the hardest at to hit my rear delts.

-W Raise. Done standing with dumbbells. Will work your rear delt, bit of your rhomboids, bit of your traps.

Just to name a few.

Also some things to remember about posture.

-Sit tall. Lengthen your spine. Don't slouch down on yourself and compress the spine.

-Shoulders back and down, chest out, when standing or sitting. This is the best way to address the rounded, hunched shoulder look. If you've had the problem for years, you're going to feel fairly ridiculous doing it, like you're.....posturing, or something. It will also be tiring to maintain because your body has adapted to your current state and so it will take effort to keep your shoulders back. You want to hold your shoulders back to combat hunching, and you want to push them down to prevent "shrugging." You want your shoulders back, broad and low. Not forward, narrow and high.

-When sitting, remember: try to get your rear shoulders to touch the back of your seat, that's your mental cue you're not hunching forward. Get your tail bone to touch the back of the seat as well, that's your cue that, when leaning back in to your chair your lower back is adequately supported and fitting to the curvature of most office chairs. Another trick is to place a tennis ball against the small of your bad when sitting. If you place it there and hold it in place, not only are you maintaining the curvature of your lower back, you've got your shoulder back far enough to trap the tennis ball in place. You'll know you've slacked on your posture if the tennis ball slips out of place.

-Try to maintain an anterior pelvic tilt. If it's not apparent from the name, google how it looks. Essentially you want your hips tilted forward, top first. What this does is help preserve the curvature of your lower back and spine. Many, many many people have posterior tilted pelvises, where the bottom of your hips is tilted out and the top of your hips is tilted back. Imagine the bottom portion of a hip thrust, that's kind of how many of us stand, sit and walk these days. It causes a straightening and flattening of the lower back and spine, which you don't want. It's tough to control sometimes though, especially when sitting. There are several groups of stretches you can do on a regular basis to sort of help retrain the placement of your hips over time. One good trick to remember to maintain an anterior pelvic tilt when standing is: stick your butt out. It feels exaggerated but only probably because you're in a posterior pelvic tilt so often. However, if you're doing any squats you're probably already semi-aware of anterior/posterior pelvic tilting, since achieving an anterior pelvic tilt is the first movement in a hip hinge, which any proper squat begins with.

-Posture takes discipline. You can train your muscles, your joints and your tendons to adopt better posture, but it always require some degree of attention on your part. Just try to do a quick mental posture check every 20 minutes. For me, after working out for long enough, I'm starting to subconsciously be aware of bad posture. I'll be sitting there and go "man, feeling like crap." And then I'll go "Oh wait, posture." I'll reset everything and the difference is noticeable within a minute. Bad posture almost pulls on my muscles now in a way that feels unnatural and the more weight I lose, the more sensitive I get to the sensation.

-Your core strength can also impact posture, or at least your ability to maintain it for any degree of time. Maintaining thoracic extension requires a bit of core strength, as it's the group of muscles supporting extension next to your lower back. When your core is weak, or at least not strong enough to adequately support your current body weight, we tend to collapse down on ourselves like an accordion and start adopting a lot of postural habits to compensate and take the pressure off the lower back and spine. Mine is propping my feet up on something, which while it feels relaxing as hell, tends to put my lower back in a lot of weird, stressed, unsupported positions. And ever since I started really working my core, my abs do a much better job of keeping my stomach in, belly button toward spine, which helps many things. It helps push my pelvis toward an anterior tilt because I'm no longer carrying 15 pounds around my waist, above my hips. It makes keeping a long spine feel more natural because I'm not slouching as much due to, again, having less weight around my belly making "not slouching" an actual chore.

-As long as I'm on the whole posture chain......glutes! Our glutes are so fucking weak because they're basically in a deactivated state 90% of the day while we sit. And your glutes can have a large impact on the state of your lower back and maybe even your hips, which can then have a ripple effect all the way up your postural chain. The other weekend I did my normal leg routine, which now includes side lunges. My glutes got really worked from that exercise....but later that night I started feeling lower back tension. I worried that I'd improperly squatted or did kettle bell swings....so I did some googling.

I'll link this video because it will do a better job demonstrating than I will explaining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWmGArQBtFI

But basically: your glute muscles attach to the top of your hip bones. When your glutes are tight or you have tension in them, they will pull down on your hips. Over time that will start causing you pain in your lower back that will feel like it originates from your lower back....but which is really it complaining about all the pulling from your glutes. Sitting doesn't help at all, in fact it sometimes exacerbates the pain. Doing the above stretch exercise though, I felt immediate relief and I don't necessarily have a lot of lower back problems. If your lower back seems sore from a workout and you've been doing anything with your glutes, try this out on both sides and see if it doesn't feel a little looser.

Back...to the back, here's another Athlean-X video about correcting rounded shoulders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLwTC-lAJws
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #172 on: January 14, 2018, 08:40:21 pm »

Is it a good idea to invest in some wrist weights to wear at work? I move my hands/arms a lot while working, and wouldn't mind getting some more calorie burn out of it.

For that matter, would ankle weights be of help(many wrist and ankle weights are interchangeable)? I'm almost always standing in one spot, but I often have to shuffle from side to side as I work.
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #173 on: January 14, 2018, 09:12:20 pm »

I've always heard that wearing those things for long periods is bad for your joints.
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Re: The Fitness Thread (aka Git Fit, aka Swole Patrol, aka Many Rep, Such Wow)
« Reply #174 on: January 14, 2018, 09:31:23 pm »

A weight vest is ultimately the best sort of weighted clothing due to it not directly affecting any joints, as SalmonGod says. If you can hide it under whatever you wear at work, that'll be your best bet for weighted walking/standing.
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« Reply #175 on: January 14, 2018, 11:20:38 pm »

I'd third thinking wrist weights to not be a good idea. The only thing that'd probably end up doing is making your forearms work a little harder, and possibly stress out your wrist, elbow or shoulder joints.
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« Reply #176 on: January 25, 2018, 10:13:35 am »

Achievement get: 25 pullups in a row. Then I have to make way for the guy that has a 40 lb weight tied around his waist jump up onto that bar and pull the earth down.

I've been putting in a harder effort on the upper body machines, and on the chest press machine I can manage 130 lbs with great effort. I wonder why it's so hard, when I can do pushups just fine, and I still weigh something like 170-175 lbs, and doing a pushup is basically just bench pressing your own weight right? I wonder what the difference is.
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« Reply #177 on: January 25, 2018, 01:32:57 pm »

Achievement get: 25 pullups in a row.

<--- Jelly. I really need to start working on pull ups so I can actually, you know, do a few. Never had the lat or shoulder strength, even when I was a little kid. Couldn't do the rope climb. It's always been a sore point for me.

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Here's some uplifting news for you then. Most fitness videos I've watched about pull ups recommend that if you can do 10 solid pull ups....you're ready for a weight belt. Consider the US army requires, I think, at least 6 solid pull ups to qualify for the physical. So you're already waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy beyond that. (Assuming you're using proper form during your pull ups and not doing this shit.) So grab a weight belt, and try 10 pnds.

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I've been putting in a harder effort on the upper body machines, and on the chest press machine I can manage 130 lbs with great effort. I wonder why it's so hard, when I can do pushups just fine, and I still weigh something like 170-175 lbs, and doing a pushup is basically just bench pressing your own weight right? I wonder what the difference is.

I just went up to 110 on the chest press the other week, 3x10 with the last set being rough. I was middling around at 90 for the longest time and then decide to try 100, found that was just about as easy and pushed it to 110. Wondering if I could go up to 120 for a 3x10 still. Really hardest part of the chest press for me right now isn't the extension, it's actually mobilizing the weight forward in to the ready position. Probably related to shoulder strength.

And the reason the chest press is so hard is because you can't recruit additional muscles like you can with a pushup. Even when you don't feel those muscles working during a pushup, they are. The kinetic chain of force, and all that. The chest press however basically isolates your upper body away from your back and legs (assuming again proper form.) Which is the deal with most cable-based machines where you sit or get in to something, they're isolation machines. Great for focusing on a very specific muscle group but naturally you will struggle more than any full range of movement exercise.

I've heard it argued that machines are generally inferior to free weights and the barbell exercises.....and I'm starting to agree. I like the chest press but honestly it's because it's doable and I'm probably still not going heavy enough with it. I really notice it with standing dumbbell curls vs. other curling positions. Standing I can rep out higher and heavier. You'd think that would mean that you should be doing more isolation exercises because ultimately they're harder right? But here's the thing. Done long enough, you train your whole body with free range of motion exercises and the big compound exercises like bench/squat/deadlift/pull ups. You develop a lot of incidental core strength with the standing exercises.

The Big 4 are touted as kind of the top level exercises and everything else below them is either an isolation exercise, or just won't work your whole body (in addition to the actual muscle group the exercise targets) nearly as much. Doing as many compound exercises as you can and spot training additional muscles you want to focus on is how you develop a balanced physique.

Sadly, those are the 4 exercises I can't really do at home and my work gym doesn't accommodate. On the other hand....compound exercises like bench and squat are where you really start wanting a spotter in case something goes wrong. For me the lack of being able to do bench/squats/deadlifts and having to settle for honestly inferior exercises like chest press/goblet squats/dumbbell deadlifts is the primary motivating factor for getting a gym membership right now.

Took the week off from working out, had a work trip starting Tuesday and I didn't relish sitting in an airport for ~8 hours while being sore. Back home now, so I'll do my regular Friday leg workout, and probably meet up with a buddy Saturday to get in my missed Wednesday arms and what not workout.
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« Reply #178 on: January 25, 2018, 02:05:10 pm »

Got some adjustable dumbbells over Christmas, and it's warm enough to run again, thank fuck. I was going crazy waiting for my chance to get back at it.
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« Reply #179 on: January 26, 2018, 03:39:22 am »

God, I'm really, REALLY enjoying running right now. I'm slow as fuck, the fastest mile I can run is about 8:30ish. At best. But just going on leisurely, hour long, 2 hour long slow runs is just the most relaxing thing. When my form really kicks in, keeping my feet under me, my body slightly tilted forward to take advantage of forward momentum, I feel like a deer gliding across savannah. But y'know, on concrete.

Can't wait for my new running sandals to get here. I love my trail running minimalist shoes but the idea of being able to run in what's effectively well-secured flip flops just sounds too much fun, and a lot more freeing.
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