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Author Topic: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1904 Battle Phase  (Read 28746 times)

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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #360 on: December 20, 2017, 03:48:18 pm »

Alright, well, revise the Burgud into the Burgud MkII- semiautomatic, bigger clipazine? Maybe rework the scope a little, if we want to be ambitious?
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #361 on: December 21, 2017, 08:34:11 am »

Sounds good! Do we have rifling yet, or would that be too complex?
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #362 on: December 21, 2017, 08:36:56 am »

 You have rifled guns.
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #363 on: December 21, 2017, 10:10:24 am »

I mean, we could certainly try for a semiautomatic, though it might (I haven't done my research yet) be more effective to just lighten our machinegun in preparation for a design for either semi- or fully-automatic standard infantry weapons.
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #364 on: December 21, 2017, 10:46:15 am »

Right, but we want to win the rifle competition, innit? Getting a submachine gun in a few years won't help us do so.
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #365 on: December 21, 2017, 10:53:02 am »

It'd be a fully-automatic intermediate caliber assault rifle in a turn, but yeah, I know.

If semiautomatic might be that easy, heck, let's do it.
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #366 on: December 22, 2017, 09:46:01 am »

Khagas Semiautomatic Rifle: Utilising many of the same components as the Burgud Rifle, the Khagas differs mainly in the bolt. Rather than requiring the soldier to manually pull back the bolt to chamber a new round, it
uses a simple blowback system, where the bolt is not actually locked during firing, but is pushed back by the cartridge as the bullet is pushed forwards. As the bolt is heavier, and has a spring pushing back on it, the bullet has left the barrel before the bolt has slid back far enough for the chamber to be unsealed. However, this does eventually happen, at which point the empty cartridge is automatically ejected, then the spring pushes the bolt forwards again, which pulls a new bullet from the clip, ready to fire.
The main challenge is balancing the bolt such that it takes long enough to move back that the bullet can leave the barrel, but not so long that the momentum is lost before the cartridge can be ejected.

is semi-automatic.
Other than that, the Khagas is more or less unchanged compared to the Burgud. We expect the mechanism to require a slightly higher grade of ore, but this should not make the gun significantly more expensive.

Did some reading on semiautomatics. First developed in 1885, the first mass-produced models came out in 1903. They weren't adopted by armies for many years due to... no good reason, that I can see.

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Edit: It was pointed out that there's no real reason to stick to historical tech progression. For that matter, what tech we use doesn't seem to affect things. So now it's just semi-automatic, mechanism unspecified.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2017, 10:37:54 am by NUKE9.13 »
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #367 on: December 22, 2017, 10:34:16 am »

Did some reading on semiautomatics. First developed in 1885, the first mass-produced models came out in 1903. They weren't adopted by armies for many years due to... no good reason, that I can see.

The reason, I kid you not, is because the brass was generally afraid that their soldiers would waste too much ammunition.
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #368 on: December 22, 2017, 10:56:05 am »

Logistics was a very real problem, the technology required for that kind of thing is not just in the machine gun, but in the factories themselves. How great, we are, that we could produce alll the lead we want with our magic factories.
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #369 on: December 22, 2017, 11:19:49 am »

You know it would be hilarious if a simple bolt action rifle would win the contest because of they didn't want the soilders waisting bullets.
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #370 on: December 23, 2017, 07:21:40 am »

To keep things moving, mostly.
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #371 on: December 23, 2017, 11:26:04 am »

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It'd be nice if it was gas-operated like our MG, but it really doesn't matter.
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #372 on: December 23, 2017, 12:02:20 pm »


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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #373 on: December 23, 2017, 12:34:05 pm »

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Just keeping things moving. Is Transport Capacity a thing in this game?
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Re: The Ameliorate War, An Arms Race game, Karikhita, 1900 Revision Phase
« Reply #374 on: December 23, 2017, 02:28:37 pm »

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Khagas Semiautomatic Rifle:
So, we worked quite a lot on the Khagas, and a day before we where going to test the first prototype, the tent where we keep our prototype weapons burned down. We planned on making another one but the plans themselves where burned in a separate fire, and nearby we found a small stone with engraving on it simply saying "I lived, Khan." When we tried to make a new prototype and new designs, well, same story as last time except the stone read "How the mighty have fallen". So, we got guards and heavily guarded all the locations where the plans and the prototypes where....All the guards where sadly killed and again the tents where burned down. Again there was a rock that had words on it, this time "Oh well, it's come to this at last"... Needless to say, we couldn't get anything done...And the Khan has been heard muttering something about one of the ex engineers in training...

It is now the battle phase...The Khan is absolutely livid.
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