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[Shadowdragon00]

A army of goblin attacked me with 30 or so trolls and a handful of beak dogs.All the trolls had armor and one even shot a bow.Is this normal?

[Fleeting Frames]

Relatively. They're slow learner, not no-learner.

[TubaDragoness]

As Frames said, the tag [SLOW_LEARNER] implies [CAN_LEARN]. They're sentient. Goblin ethics just don't forbid them from being used as livestock as well as recruits.

[PatrikLundell]

Most trolls are recruits, and recruits (regardless of being trolls or "civilized" races) don't have weapons or much in the way of armor. Some trolls are regular soldiers, however, and apart from being equipped normally they also have both a first and last name (while the recruits only have a first name).
If you think troll soldiers are bad, just wait until you get ogre ones (I don't know if they can be soldiers, but they ought to), or blizzard men ones (I've never even seen a blizzard man...).

[Lolor31]

My last fort was attacked by the goblins and the commander was a spear-troll, that is normal?

[nuget102]

My last fort was attacked by the goblins and the commander was a spear-troll, that is normal?

It's possible. Trolls can become a part of any fortress since they are sentient. Goblins use them as livestock as well as soldiers, so one that's a commander isn't unheard of.

I believe with the new update you could also have sentient creatures join your fort, but I haven't played around with this quite yet.

[deathpunch578]

It's possible. Trolls can become a part of any fortress since they are sentient.
I believe with the new update you could also have sentient creatures join your fort

trolls can't join your fortress, you can only get humans, elves, goblins, other dwarves, and animal people that are already in another civ.

[PatrikLundell]

It's possible. Trolls can become a part of any fortress since they are sentient.
I believe with the new update you could also have sentient creatures join your fort

trolls can't join your fortress, you can only get humans, elves, goblins, other dwarves, and animal people that are already in another civ.

Yes, visitors can join your fortress, and wild surface animal people can join other habitations, but not your fortress directly. In addition to that, gorlaks and plump helmet men can join other sites and then show up as visitors, while subsurface animal people can not (they're sort of inherently evil). Finally, as the odd case, gremlins can be captured and tamed and join your fortress as "animal" citizens that can be butchered (the UI does not allow you to give them jobs beyond, so they become haulers when they join your civ, but DT allows you to actually assign professions to them. There's a fair number of quirky things with gremlins, as it currently stands). It can be noted that all the creatures that can be accepted as citizens are intelligent and not slow learners.
There is no indication the next arc (whose first release ought to appear later this month) changes this beyond possibly some minor tweaks/bug fixes. Having animal people joining your fortress directly from the wilderness apparently causes complications Toady isn't ready to commit resources to in the short term.

[Cathar]

Genuine question. Let's say I capture a pair of trolls, and I make them into a breeding pair with a method I suppose should work (female chained, male caged). Let's say it works, they give birth, I trap the kid, kill the mother before she can harm it.
I tame the kid, repeat until I have a tame breeding pair.

Is it possible to end up with a troll population inside my fort?

Note : they are war trolls, so animal level, not civilized

[PatrikLundell]

Genuine question. Let's say I capture a pair of trolls, and I make them into a breeding pair with a method I suppose should work (female chained, male caged). Let's say it works, they give birth, I trap the kid, kill the mother before she can harm it.
I tame the kid, repeat until I have a tame breeding pair.

Is it possible to end up with a troll population inside my fort?

Note : they are war trolls, so animal level, not civilized

The only sapient creature you can tame in vanilla DF is gremlins. Everything else is off limits due to the prohibited slavery. I assume you can mod the troll raws the same way animal people raws can be modded (by adding the exotic pet tag, I think) that makes them behave like gremlins from a taming perspective. That ought to work on cavern caught trolls.
Invader trolls are different, I think. Firstly, I've seen claims that invaders don't breed while invading. Secondly, I'm not sure "civilized" troll "animals" use the promiscuous breeding pattern of animals, or whether they use the marriage model (My attempt to get gremlins to marry and/or breed failed). Thirdly, the offspring would belong to its mother's civ, and thus ought to be automatically hostile to you, and thus not tameable.

[Cathar]

This is a bit confusing, because trolls, like gremlins, can be considered as livestock and citizens. The one I have on my cages are clearly livestock, as they are "war" trolls, like war dogs, hinting they have been trained by animal trainers and are not citizens.
Maybe their livestock/citizen states affect their mating behavior? Surely if they have a dog or cat behavior I don't need to have them married.

As for invaders don't breeding, does it counts for invading animals too? If so, my project won't work that's for sure, but you say it's only a claim to begin with, so we're not sure?

And for the offspring, I've read claims that would state the exact opposite, with offspring belonging to the civilization owning the place they are born into (or else why would the mother attack the baby?)...besides as I said, they are not citizens of the civilization, but just livestock. Which is what makes all that very confusing.

I really need to capture a female and try

[PatrikLundell]

Trolls are considered livestock by goblins, who accept slavery, but not dwarves, who do not accept slavery.
I do not know what governs when creatures have to be married. Camping troglodytes can produce offspring, indicating wild slow learners do not need marriage to mate. I've heard the claim siege captured beak dogs won't mate, but I've never tested it, nor (obviously) if the potential offspring would belong to the goblin civ or be wild (dorfs cannot tame wild beak dogs either, so taming is not in the cards).

If you do test it, please report the results. I try to make clear when I'm providing second hand info, when it's first hand, or when it's logical deduction of "known" rules, but I can be sloppy with that, as well as just plain wrong about established facts. Anyway, I'm quite certain you cannot tame trolls of any origin without changing the raws to allow it (and I don't know of those who've modded animal people to be tameable have tried taming animal people prisoners of war. Modding questions are generally better asked in a modding forum).

[Cathar]

Thanks a lot for your answers. I do not intend to mod the game myself, tho...I'm playing in an already established world I want to keep as much as possible. I'm just thinking that trolls could be a nice addition to my army if I manage to pull this off. Not a whole lot of hope here, but eh, why the hell not

[FantasticDorf]

Bred war animals are reported to attack their own offspring (provided they dont lay eggs because they wont use nestboxes belonging to enemies), it doesn't seem to be the same with intelligent creatures though.

Is your captured invader troll male or female? If its female then you could do your previous breeding cage & chain idea with a wild troll parentage since animals inherit states from the mother mostly. A war troll fathering a wild troll will most definitely deliver a wild troll baby.

The result will still probably be a wild or hostile invader civ troll, but best of luck in case you suprise us all.

- Yes you can't tame animals without tags unless you circumvent and collect a already tamed animal & breed it (EI - civilisation leader goes out to the depths of the world & tames GCS, for a 1000 embark points you can buy a female then all the adult animals bred from that spider afterwards will be tame) but that logic doesn't work with enemy animals.

Goblins only have trolls because [EVIL] auto-domesticates [SLOW_LEARNER]'s with likewise [EVIL] creature raws across the biomes they settle, ogres for example have no pet RAW's but if goblins settle in a evil plain, they will have Ogres nontheless.

From experience i've bred wild trolls & troglodytes on a chain already, the babies run for the cavern edges as soon as they are born to get off the map & join the wild creature populations, im not sure how a invader troll's baby would react if it survives, least give it 10 years to grow up and see what happens.

[Cathar]

Okay, other question : is it possible that a troll that went to the wilderness join any of the "good" civs? Like animal people? I don't see that happening in my world, and we have civilized gorlaks. Can't be due to the evil tag, since we have good gobbos too.

Also I captured a female ! Now to not screw up the experiment !