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[Tiruin]

NQT: Can the generator create abilities that change alignments? Also when is day end? Your last vote count didn't mention it.

No, alignments aren't changed even with role-swap or role-morph powers. Day can end 10am tomorrow GMT.

Can people EXTEND this and NOT lynch the newbie for making booktells because people haven't actually scumhunted and why are they voting kingawsume when they had yesterday and didn't.

[MoonyTheHuman]

Damn. The action implied it could swap alignment. Oh well.

[FallacyofUrist]

Damn. The action implied it could swap alignment. Oh well.

Hmph.
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If you recall? You have the thread. You can go back and look for stuff instead of just writing stuff down on the top of your head. Why are you asking people to do your work for you?

Alright then.

Huh. Found a bit more weirdness.

EBWOP: Juice and FoU seem the most suspicious out of the voters (excluding myself to max; he seems to have a hard on for me being sus :/ )

And this.

Spoiler: Long (click to show/hide)

The amount of evidence and suspicious acting stacked up against Maximum is starting to outweigh the chance that he is town.

Would you mind detailing this "evidence"?

Oh boy, would I.

Maximum Spin is engaging in all the classic mistaken behaviours typical of new players - responding angrily to every vote against them, softclaiming their role in order to make an appeal to emotion and advocating for no lynch.

Odd that you see anger. Did you miss my first post?

Words not to convince, though conviction may come later. Words to evince. Shakerag. This is not in response to your vote against me.

Incidentally, I lied about my ability. Sorry. Radical Freedom.

First a simple lie. No harm, no foul, right? But you also vote Shake, and provide no evidence.

There is still time for all to fall upon another. CB1999 could be dangerous tonight. Or someone else.

But then you accuse a (retrospectively very) AFK player of... sus? With leaving said accusation wide open for interpretation, and also leaving a general "anyone could also be sus." And again, fail to provide evidence.

Doesn't appear to have been CB's thrown firework that did that, then. Inform/Census may have been made, but not Swap/Gift.

I wish to clarify: CB had the swap action, and then stopped having it because of swapping it with another one. I can confirm this was the case because I swapped it onto him, having received it apparently from Leafsnail, who swapped away my previous "cure target" ability that I actually really did have. Yes, swapping the swap power onto the guy who automatically uses powers was perhaps not the most impressive idea. I hadn't totally considered that he could use it immediately after I swapped it onto him instead of the next day (by which time he would be dead). So uh. Sorry.

Anyway... kingawsume.

Fast forward to day 2, you accuse me, and, again, leave it wide open for interpretation, and a distinct lack of evidence. I don't really care right now, however; let the others decide that.

I can confirm that I don't have two available actions, which is a little disappointing.

Ah, so you targeted me. What were you trying to do to me?

But this suggests that the gifter targeted me.

I targeted BlackHeartKabal. I intend to target a different person each night to reduce the chance of someone predicting my action and taking advantage of that.
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People who target me during the night likely won't get gifts. This isn't necessarily the case, but it becomes more likely if I keep who I'm going to target a secret.
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As a matter of fact, I targetted nobody, because I never had a night-usable action during that night. Either you misread your ability description, or, more likely, you are lying and mafia.

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Following a seemingly random string of vote, you call out FoU, for either "misreading his role" (albeit, a honest mistake at times), or being mafia, citing that you "never had a night-usable action during the night." However, you get called out after it is revealed by FoU that the first line of his action is "Once per night...".
Finally...

eh... if people like BHK don't post much, we're going to have to lynch them on principle. Oh well.

MaximumSpin: so why did you vote kingawesume at the start of day 2, then provide no justification for the vote after two people asked you to?  More generally, what's with the random unexplained votes on people?

I mean, given that the two of you were in agreement with the nolynch being a possibility, I certainly didn't expect the vote. To be honest, it seems a bit like you had a narrow escape (for which I apologise again, everyone) and panicked, attacking the weakest looking player.

You said that you were "still suspiscious" of kingawesume. You know if you die today, which you probably will, it could be useful to town to know what you found suspiscious. Because possibly nobody else noticed it.

Tiruin's analysis of my motives was adequate for this purpose. I can assure you that I never vote randomly. Or from panic, although I will vote to make a tie if I'm in the majority and the opportunity arises, of course. Self-preservationg being what it is.

If I went into detail about the need for that vote, it would change the equilibrium and I'd then have to re-account for that when considering the data. It's safe to say that I was skeptical of his "oh well I might just be a total naïf getting suckered" act.

Somebody calls you out for not providing evidence of my appearant guilt, and voting in a manner not dissimilar to the spread pattern of a 12 gauge buckshot; you respond with a vague "I don't lynch randomly" and say you will vote "out of self-preservation" and base your vote on me and a "naïve sucker act" (alebit, such is warrented) and, yet again, refuse to do some honest to goodnes work and prove your claims.

That enough for you?

In short, while I am a little confused about why kingawsume didn't question me and Juicebox more, he did provide a bit more evidence against Spin than I noticed, and seeing as the reason I had for voting him was a lack of reasoning for voting Spin, Unvote.

4maskwolf does need to post more, but I'm going to shift this vote once I find someone who's actually suspicious as opposed to inactive.

[Shakerag]

Alright.  I'll pop my Extend.

[NJW2000]

Ho hum. Would be nice to know who swapped the action from Moony - because un-powering Town is pretty much garaunteed scum in my book.

Might not be able to post much for a bit - waterpolo and schoolwork, but I'll vote Starver, partly because I don't want an extra factor hanging round MTH, and partly because I'm suspiscious of him. Gone very quiet now the MTH things happened, though that might be irl stuff. Suddenly unkeen to do mechanical analysis...?

[notquitethere]

Silthuri has replaced 4mask. Day extended +24 hours.
Vote count when I'm not at the theatre.

[Starver]

(@NJW) No, still mechanically analysing. But delayed somewhat due to home machine rebooted, resulting in spreadsheet corruption/forced roll-back, and had to redo some.

BTW, not that anybody asked, I still have this:

9 Town, 2 Mafia	15%
10 Town, 1 Mafia	12%
8 Town, 3 Mafia	12%
8 Town, 2 Mafia, 1 Other	8%
7 Town, 4 Mafia	8%
9 Town, 1 Mafia, 1 Other	7%
7 Town, 3 Mafia, 1 Other	6%
6 Town, 5 Mafia	4%
8 Town, 1 Mafia, 2 Other	4%
7 Town, 2 Mafia, 2 Other	4%
6 Town, 4 Mafia, 1.Other	3%
6 Town, 3 Mafia, 2 Other	3%
7 Town, 1 Mafia, 3 Other	2%
5 Town, 6 Mafia	2%
6 Town, 2 Mafia, 3 Other	2%
5 Town, 5 Mafia, 1 Other	1%
5 Town, 4 Mafia, 2 Other	1%
5 Town, 3 Mafia, 3 Other 6 Town, 1 Mafia, 4 Other 5 Town, 2 Mafia, 4 Other 4 Town, 7 Mafia 4 Town, 6 Mafia, 1 Other 5 Town, 1 Mafia, 5 Other 4 Town, 5 Mafia, 2 Other 4 Town, 4 Mafia, 3 Other 4 Town, 3 Mafia, 4 Other 4 Town, 2 Mafia, 5 Other	all these now <1%
4 Town, 1 Mafia, 6 Other	<0.1%

Obviously remove post-LYLO settings (give or take weird fringe vote doubling/cancellation situations) and it's become more probable now that there's necessarily at least one Other.

[FallacyofUrist]

The entire "should you useless night power or not useless night power" thing is entirely academic to me, my role is entirely passive.  That being said, I guess target me if you want hilarity to happen to someone else.

Silthuri, was 4maskwolf targeted with an action day 1(that you know of)? Did anybody target 4maskwolf day 1? I'm considering the possibility that my role change day 1 was caused by 4maskwolf's(and now your) passive ability.

Wait. Should have read all the thread first.

I definitely established that I had used the swap power during the day when I swapped with cb'99. By the way, there's also a role-morphing passive lurking around out there, which would definitely add to the ability shuffling problem.

Oh before I forget, yeah that was my original role.  Anyone who targeted me overrode a random person's ability with their role.  That passive then got swapped away from me in what I can only assume (given nobody mentioned it before) was the first swap of the game and I have no idea where it went.

So that's basically a definite. My original role(priming everyone who hit me with a non-poison action) was replaced with a different role Day 1, with the trade action(trade the action with a random action from the target). I know I wasn't just targeted with the trade action Day 1 because my entire role changed, not just my ability.

I believe Maximum Spin targeted 4maskwolf day 1. When Spin was lynched, it was revealed his role name was Anti Urist... which is my role name as of Day 1, funnily enough(my username is FallacyofUrist).

I'm starting to think we should put together an actions list. This is far too convoluted to solve any other way.
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NJW2000, Starver, Persus13: Why weren't you voting at the end of Day 2?

Silthuri: Why do you think 4maskwolf wasn't voting at the end of Day 2?

[Tiruin]

SILTHURI! LONG TIME NO SEE! NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN!

PFP

Gonna post later when I'm not dead from stress and class.

The entire "should you useless night power or not useless night power" thing is entirely academic to me, my role is entirely passive.  That being said, I guess target me if you want hilarity to happen to someone else.

Silthuri, was 4maskwolf targeted with an action day 1(that you know of)? Did anybody target 4maskwolf day 1? I'm considering the possibility that my role change day 1 was caused by 4maskwolf's(and now your) passive ability.

Wait. Should have read all the thread first.

That would be greaaat. Because many people mentioned stuff they have, stuff they claimed, and many stuff people claimed are unmentioned if they CURRENTLY have it or whatever. Because nobody mentioned they got a track off me or bothered to verify my claim but given the state of affairs of today, its someone who swapped me on D2, and I want to presume they are scum because of general unhelpfulness.

So that's basically a definite. My original role(priming everyone who hit me with a non-poison action) was replaced with a different role Day 1, with the trade action(trade the action with a random action from the target). I know I wasn't just targeted with the trade action Day 1 because my entire role changed, not just my ability.

I believe Maximum Spin targeted 4maskwolf day 1. When Spin was lynched, it was revealed his role name was Anti Urist... which is my role name as of Day 1, funnily enough(my username is FallacyofUrist).

WHEN has something changed entirely and MENTIONED YOUR ROLE AS CHANGED?

FoU: Who are your top suspects right now and why?

I'm voting kingawsume for a reason. From what I recall, he voted Spin without providing a reason other than just joining the bandwagon. He did provide a reason later(today), but I don't think he provided that reason initially(if I'm wrong, please correct me). Moony did something much similar, but his uncontested mass block claim puts him as town in my eyes. It seems unlikely, possible but unlikely, that scum would be wiling to block their own mafiakill.

There are a lot of people who need to get more content out, by the way. More content means more of a chance to find scum from day data.

How does this make him scum?
Where are your OTHER SUSPECTS?

Also you missed this, FoU.

[notquitethere]

One of the players avatars appears dramatically different. "Got a re-skin," they explain. It doesn't end the recriminations.

*Tiruin
MoonyTheHuman
*Shakerag
FallacyofUrist - [1] - Persus13
NJW2000
Starver - [1] - NJW2000
Silthuri - [2] - kingawsume, FallacyofUrist
kingawsume
Persus13
juicebox - [1] - Tiruin
No lynch

Day end in 24 hours. Hammer at 6.

[MoonyTheHuman]

Hey, guys. I think i found out who stole my ability.
Starver had the swap ability as well. I tried swapping with him, and i got my swap ability boomeranging back.
annihilate

[Tiruin]

Hey, guys. I think i found out who stole my ability.
Starver had the swap ability as well. I tried swapping with him, and i got my swap ability boomeranging back.
annihilate

I'm finding it curious on how people haven't tracked the day abilities (I haven't due to busy >_>) but it's a supplement for scumhunting too :I

...Didn't Starver say stuff about his actions beforehand?
Can you give more information?
Who else are your suspects and how'd you get to picking STARVER?

[MoonyTheHuman]

I used the 'Swap' day ability i got in exchange for my block on Starver. I found he had Swap as well (it boomeranged back to me).

Just going to paraphrase what the GM said:

You Lost the ability Swap
You Gained the ability Swap.

Alongside that, i just don't quite trust him. Gut feeling, I cant quite put a reason on it yet.

[FallacyofUrist]

How does this make him scum?
Where are your OTHER SUSPECTS?

Voting on a bandwagon without applying reasoning or at least analyzing the reasoning others use is a sign of passiveness. Passiveness correlates with scumminess.
Of course, he provided plenty of reasoning and analysis that I missed.

My other suspects?
How about a full reads list.
I know I'm town.
You and juicebox I consider likely to be town based on your strong scum hunting.
MoonyTheHuman I consider likely to be town based on his use of the mass block ability.
Shakerag has done some reactive hunting in the past. I haven't seen him seek out cases by questioning people, but I have seen him react to scummy behavior done by other people. Weak town.
kingawsume I'm not too sure about. On the one hand, reasoning, on the other hand, bandwagoning. Didn't pursue anyone other than Spin, that I saw. Of course, I did much the same thing... but he didn't seem to take initiative, unlike me. Just seemed to follow the bandwagon. Weak scum.
Persus13 and NJW2000 need to be further analyzed and need to post more. Null for the moment.
Unvote. Silthuri just replaced 4maskwolf, I'd like to give Silthuri a chance to post before being lynched. Null for the moment.
Starver has had three days to scum hunt the old fashioned way and so far has not done so, but has posted a whole lot of stuff on game mechanics. While that's well and good, it needs to be coupled with scum hunting.

Any questions?

[Starver]

Hey, guys. I think i found out who stole my ability.
Starver had the swap ability as well. I tried swapping with him, and i got my swap ability boomeranging back.
annihilate

To quote me, from earlier (two pages back, seem to have not been ncluded the quote ref in my paste buffer, sorry!):

By the way, I presume its the Swap that went to King and then to 4mask that just came back to me (via unknown 4th/5thmetc parties, or not?). It's possible someone wanted to test my claim like I tested King's. Or maybe someone wanted the Kill Action.  Putting that out there. (They missed, whatever the idea, and that someone now newly has the "Twice per night you can swap a copy of this ability with an ability belonging to everyone targeting you. Action: Swap.", instead,.)  FYI. It's there for you to work on if I don't play this good enough from this point on.

I used Swap on King, today, and have been unable to use any other day-skill since.

ROFLed when I found someone had tried to Swap with me and only ended up Swapping with my identical Swap, which remains/becomes unusable for both of us...