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Author Topic: Procedurally Generated Mafia- GAME OVER MAFIA WIN  (Read 81379 times)

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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #510 on: November 24, 2017, 08:40:29 am »

In that case, it's just a choice of whether we lynch sil or persus, as only a mafialynch will give town victory. Otherwise SKs will be the sole winners.

Then again, if you can ignite without dying, lynching sil is a great plan.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #511 on: November 24, 2017, 11:25:26 am »

If I ignite Perseus, I also ignite myself; because I'm primed, I'll suicide.
But hey, they only way that'll be viable is if Sil gets lynched.
Unless you know you're primed, cause then we're boned.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia - N4, Unconventional Kill Capacity Revealed
« Reply #512 on: November 24, 2017, 11:35:45 am »

The server is quiet except for a small bout of PvP. The remaining players are playing for keeps. Currently they're evenly matched, none yet succumbing to the other's blows.


*NJW2000 - [1] Silthuri
Silthuri - [1] kingawsume
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*Persus13 - [1] NJW200
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Hammer at 3. Day ends when Nov 25th 10.55pm GMT.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #513 on: November 24, 2017, 12:58:24 pm »

If I ignite Perseus, I also ignite myself; because I'm primed, I'll suicide.
But hey, they only way that'll be viable is if Sil gets lynched.
Unless you know you're primed, cause then we're boned.
Persus is NOT a survivor. If he is scum, we lynch Sil as town, and you ignite people, then he will simply kill me (which he can do despite dying). We all die, serial killers win.

((Or Persus decides Town wins by not killing me. But tbh that would feel weird if they were mafia: mafia are psychologically aligned against town, not SKs, I reckon. And its especially unlikely if Persus bears grudges  :P Or wants to have a funny, "everyone dies, SKs win" ending. Which we don't want.))

I'm wondering if sil and Persus are non-town atm. One is mafia and one has a kill, that is certain. But does the mafia have the kill? Most likely Sil does not, I think, which would make Sil SK or town. Ironically, Sil might win if we lynch her as SK, as everyone else would die.


Could Persus have intentionally goofed?
If we lynch Persus as an SK, then that doesn't help him.
But if we lynch Persus as mafia, that doesn't help him either, as far as I can see. So the was the screwup unintentional? And is there any town gambit that would result in such a stupid move? Trying to bait the scum into an offer of collaboration, perhaps? Scum would have to have an incredibly low estimate of the survivors intelligence to offer to ally with them.
I think Persus just screwed up. As scum or SK or something. Probably scum, as scum Sil would have been NK'ing people rather than priming you, and would be less likely to have a swappable kill power.

If we lynch Persus and he is scum with a kill, town wins even if sil is SK.

If we lynch sil and she is SK with no kill (almost certain if she is SK at all), then you can suicide Persus who kills me. If you were to do nothing, Persus would kill you to win, or kill me and draw anyway.*

Looks like Persus is the best bet for a lynch, as Sil is likely NOT A THREAT. Can't work out why I didn't think of Persus being scum earlier... just found it unlikely, even though Sil had lost a prime power... I guess it took you being primed to realise she probably hadn't been nightkilling - scum would never prime, its slower. She could have got the kill from someone who primed you... would like to know when that was. Unlikely though as scum probably killing not swapping. So still think Sil harmless, Persus the mafia. Has Persus's misplay lost Sil the game?


      *There's a sort of game theory thing where if Persus thought you weren't going to kill him, he'd try and win by killing you, and if you were to then blow everyone up, town would win because I survived. But that won't work now I've said it. Oh well, I don't think it would have been very likely to come up.



An extend might be useful and justified, given that this is likely the final play of the game.




Kingawesume, would you agree that if we lynched Sil and she flipped SK or town, then Persus must be scum? And that he would then nightkill one of us, meaning that we would either lose to him or draw if you killed him?

And that Sil is unlikely to have a mafiakill, as you swapped a kill away from her that she was preparing to use on you (by priming)?

So in that case, Persus is the threat, and the one we need to lynch?

The entire game could ride on this, so please help me out lynching Persus or convince me otherwise.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #514 on: November 24, 2017, 12:59:09 pm »

Tl,dr: I really think we should kill Persus not Sil now. Because if Persus is scum and alive at night, we probably lose.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #515 on: November 24, 2017, 12:59:40 pm »

And Sil is likely not scum.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #516 on: November 24, 2017, 01:31:34 pm »

I don't suppose Sil or Persus will be particularly interested, but would either of you guys be interested in extending? I think the day will end at 11 at night GMT, as:


Hammer at 3. Day ends when Nov 23rd 10.55pm GMT.

As such, I'm not sure if king will be back in time. Or if there's a major flaw in my reasoning which he will point out, I probably won't have time to respond. Oh well. Godspeed king. Lets extend or lynch Persus.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #517 on: November 24, 2017, 02:08:13 pm »

Extend. Don't have much time to post. Will read and try to find fallacies later.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #518 on: November 24, 2017, 02:12:29 pm »

Phew. Thanks.

And sorry about the frantic posts, I just became convinced we should lynch Persus after a frantic reconsidering.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #519 on: November 24, 2017, 05:59:27 pm »

I'm a survivor. What are folks willing to do in order for me to side with you?
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Ehm. I was posting from phone first time I saw this, but what the fuck?

Yeah sorry. I'm actually an Executioner who won when Shakerag got lynched.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #520 on: November 24, 2017, 06:13:57 pm »

Spiritually, everyone wins when Shakerag gets lynched.

Still gonna kill you  :P This time I get to do it for reals.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #521 on: November 24, 2017, 06:15:28 pm »

Oh yeah, and also you're scum and stuff, but that's just a bonus. The main point is I can lynch you~
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #522 on: November 25, 2017, 10:34:04 am »

I still think Sil has the kill, but alas. I'll vote Perseus to not tie.
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #523 on: November 25, 2017, 10:48:07 am »

Do post your reasoning on that if you want to - I'd be happy to change if convinced.

What day were you primed, btw?
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Re: Procedurally Generated Mafia- D5 All out of juice
« Reply #524 on: November 25, 2017, 11:40:19 am »

Aw, shit, that was juicebox. I was confusing Sil with Juicebox. I'm such an idiot.

Yeah, Sil could be the mafia. I'll need to go over the thread to see if she ever used night actions.
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