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[Rolan7]

I was a little surprised that that even works if you're out of land in your library, but it does.  It makes sense when explained, I guess, just weird.

[MrRoboto75]

My mental picture of that is someone picking up their entire deck and throwing it at their opponent.

50 Card Pickup: The Gathering

[Flying Carcass]

Still playing Magic Duels while I wait for Magic Arena to release. Threw together a pretty fun deck last night that works well (at least against the mid level players I'm going up against). It's green and blue with a splash of white with lots of flash creatures and instants to counter whatever the opponent is playing along with some draw to keep my hand full of options. Most of my damage output comes from my flying creatures, who get pumped up by soulblade djinn and thunderclap wyvern. The instants blossoming defense and wildsize also provide sneaky extra attack/defense when I need it.

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4x Faerie Miscreant
2x Blossoming Defense
1x Metropolis Sprite
3x Telling Time
1x Nissa, Vastwood Seer
2x Reclamation Sage
2x Spell Queller
3x Bounding Krasis
1x Void Grafter
1x Hydrolash
1x Convolute
4x Wildsize
3x Thunderclap Wyvern
1x Altered Ego
2x Cast Out
1x Tamiyo, Field Researcher
1x Kiora, Master of the Depths
1x Disciple of the Ring
1x Soulblade Djinn
1x Spring || Mind
2x Lumber Falls
2x Canopy Vista
2x Prairie Stream
2x Hinterland Harbor
2x Glacial Fortress
2x Sunpetal Grove
3x Evolving Wilds
3x Woodland Stream
1x Plains
2x Island
3x Forest

[Flying Carcass]

Still playing Duels while I await arena (and alas, the vaunted rank 40 still eludes me! closest I've gotten is rank 38)

Currently playing a really nasty mono blue deck centered around Rise from the Tides.


It's full of sorceries that let me draw and put stuff in the graveyard, with a few instants that return enemy critters/permanents/spells to their owners' hands to maintain control of the board state (including Displacement Wave which is great for clearing the board). Once I've filled my graveyard with spells (usually aim for around 10ish), I cast RftT and suddenly the board is full of zombie tokens... unless the opponent has board wipe it's usually game right there. I've also got two Thing in the Ice for the utility they give, be it blocking, critter wipe, or just a big stompy. I've also got two Commit||Memory to return enemy permanents to their hand and as a safeguard to keep from milling myself to defeat.

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2x Clutch of Currents
2x Thing in the Ice
3x Compelling Deterrence
3x Unsubstantiate
2x Displacement Wave
4x Nagging Thoughts
4x Take Inventory
1x Catalog
4x Pieces of the Puzzle
4x Drag Under
2x Pore over the Pages
1x Torrential Gearhulk
3x Rise from the Tides
2x Commit || Memory
23x Island

[sambojin]

I'll probably play a bit of Arena when it comes out. I played a fair bit of MtG2011-2014 a few years ago and actually didn't mind the format. Sure, it's a lot more limited than real MtG, but it's probably slightly broader than Limited or Block in some ways. A lot cheaper too.

It does mean there's a far more limited meta to work in, but it does help stop some of the more BS decks from cropping up. Yet there's still some fun to be had. I can't stand the MtGO interface, but their more consumer style products are actually pretty good. Even way back to the 1995 Microprose edition. Certainly not perfect, but quite playable for a fairly complex card game.

There was even unsupported modding of MtG11-14 floating about years ago, that also worked with the free demo version, if you didnt mind just playing vs the admittedly poor AI.

With all the anti loot box controversy raised recently, it's surprising that there weren't too many MtG (or even Hearthstone) comparisons made. Every pack of cards is essentially a loot box, with potentially hundreds needed to get a full set. Then again, people actually like MtG and HS, whereas they weren't too thrilled by SWBF, even without the loot box system.

[bulborbish]

With all the anti loot box controversy raised recently, it's surprising that there weren't too many MtG (or even Hearthstone) comparisons made. Every pack of cards is essentially a loot box, with potentially hundreds needed to get a full set. Then again, people actually like MtG and HS, whereas they weren't too thrilled by SWBF, even without the loot box system.

At least for Magic the argument is that there is actual resale value, due to the fact that you get a physical card that can be resold.

As for Hearthstone, give it time. If any lootbox regulations are passed, its likely that all of the free card games will have to look into adding a disclaimer or becoming pay2play if they can't actually sell packs legally anymore (since they would provide a non-real good)

[kilakan]

Sorta just posting to watch, played absolutely tons of magic back when I was in university... from the ravnica block to the return of ravnica blocks actually hahah.  Eagerly awaiting when arena finally launches or decides to send me a key to the beta that I applied for back in September.

[kingawsume]

I played around with it for a bit, the only problem was that I couldn't afford new cards, and everyone around me played infinite mana stalling in regular play, and really only play commander. I was getting my ass handed to me more often than not, and gave up.

The only deck I have is a Blue/Black artifact Planeswalker deck, and it's 98% the structure deck I bought for 20 dollars.

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1x Tezzeret, Master of Metal
1x Prizefighter Construct
1x Barricade Breaker
1x Ironclad Revolutionary
2x Dhund Operative
2x Wind-Kin Raiders
3x Bastion Inventor
1x Fen Hauler
1x Quicksmith Spy
1x Trophy Mage
1x Treasure Keeper
1x Dukhara Peafowl
1x Ornithopter
3x Tezzeret's Simulacrum
1x Foundry Assembler
2x Implement of Examination
1x Implement of Improvement
1x Ironhead Crusher
4x Pendulum of Patterns
1x Renegade Map
2x Universal Solvent
1x Cruel Finality
1x Essence Extraction
1x Leave in the Dust
1x Reverse Engineer
2x Tezzeret's Betrayal
2x Tezzeret's Touch
4x Submerged Boneyard
11x Island
11x Swamp

[martinuzz]

Yeah, Magic has always been a game exclusively for kids with rich parents. Pay to win, even before the computer era.

[kilakan]

Eh I always just went and played draft or pauper tbf.  Both formats are anything but ptw.  Commander`s not bad there either since you can only have 1 of every card.

[Cattani]

Anyone mind sharing some deck-building tips?

I have a green deck with lots of cards that let me fetch lands from my library. Like this one:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=417436

I dont know how to calculate the number of lands I need, since these cards are not lands but dont do anything other than allowing me to play more lands per turn. So if I want a 60-card deck with let's say 25 lands, could I put like 21 lands and 4 of those land-finders? Will I get the same probability of always having lands to play, plus the added bonus of being able to play more than one? How to math lands when using those cards?

[Rolan7]

Eugh...  Won't that card almost always be worse than drawing a forest would have been?  It lets you play two lands in a turn, but for 3 mana and the extra land's tapped.  It would be useful in a multi-color deck, but surely not in a mono one?

[Cattani]

Well the idea is having a big finisher that I want to play as fast as possible. Then I spend my early game just playing lands and then my finisher.
I play casual with friends and no one goes for those absurd aggro decks that kills everyone in 3 turns, so being useless in the early game isnt such a problem.
These cards are useful in that they allow me to bypass the 1-land-per-turn limit.

[Culise]

It's not that awful, since mana-acceleration via tutor also cleans up your deck a bit as a side benefit.  For a mono-Green deck, though, it does tend to take second place to Nature's Lore (cheaper, untapped) or Rampant Growth (cheaper, tapped).  The key in looking at the odds is that land tutors do require a cost to be paid, though: a tutor isn't quite the same as a land because if you don't get three lands quickly, you can't turn this into more lands.  You'll just be staring at dead draw after dead draw.  For green, it's not quite as bad since the three-mana hump is a bit easier to cross by the second turn if you're also running a card like Llanowar Elves (turn 1: Forest/elves, turn 2: Forest/tutor), but it can still lead to issues.  It's also not that bad with 25 lands in your deck; that may lead to issues with drawing too many lands rather than too few. 

It's probably also worth noting that I've also never been particularly competent at Magic, though I used to play it more.  I may have missed some stuff that's come out since.

[Cattani]

Yeah I see what you guys are saying. It would really help more if the deck wasn't mono-green. Maybe I'll rebuild it into a red-green to improve my early game. Slap some red low-drops and leave the green big finishers. Then playtest it to see if I got the ramp right.
Thanks for helping guys.