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[Cruxador]

Getting a big, strong longdead giant is pretty dang nice, if only when compared to the regular kind.

Horde of skeletons is a great spell largely due to the quantity of longdead it produces, not the quality. Going from small to large may not improve the quality that much, except in HP, but HP is mostly what you want from them so it's actually a pretty significant boon... Or it would be if you had a more cost-effective skelespammer to actually make use of it.

[USEC_OFFICER]

I am well aware of that. I'm just saying that 1-to-1, the giant longdead/souless are better than the human ones. So if you get them without any change in the overall numbers... So much the better. _{Utgard also has very cost-efficient skelespammers, if you don't mind communions. EA/MA are definitely more questionable..}

[ThtblovesDF]

Doesn't Tien'chi got like that one national spell that gets freaking sacred ghosts and like 20 to the gem?

[Kagus]

LA T'ien Ch'i and EA Sauromatia, yeh. They've only got the little paralyze attack, but it used to be pretty funny to slap a fire or death bless on them in Dom4. Death bless in particular, because it meant that each 1-hp spirit now had an effective 11 hitpoints.

Also, MA Jotunheim also gets the immensely economic D1 vaetti hags for low-level spamming, and the astral randoms make for decent slaves to a gygja if you really want to invest in some spammery.

[ThtblovesDF]

Did some testing with horrors - you can't seduce horrors, it seems. You can horror seed horrors however, but its not very useful.

A Fort with 0 PD, but troops in the garrison + horror seed commanders (also inside the fort) will dump the horrors outside the door, slowly creating a stack of horrors. So if you want to do some silly things, get some free spawners that produce living units, horror seed a handful of commanders in that same fort and turn your free spawn units into horrors 1:1 - maybe you realllllly want to block a throne or something.

A sneaking horror-seeded unit will also never mark enemy units in the province it is in.

[etgfrog]

So...EA Ry'leh strategy? Porpal mothers building swarms and swarms of horrors outside of their thrones...assuming there is enough underwater thrones to stall the game.

[Kagus]

Pangaea also has living freespawn. And in some cases they've even got a little blood magic to help with slave collection!

Presumably also works for turn-summoned units like swans, wolves and muflons. Miflons? Muffins. They're muffins. They even have a supply bonus, just like real muffins.

[ThtblovesDF]

You can't use the "summon" ability of commanders if the castle they are in is under siege, but it works on commanders that always summon without a care for the what they are doing. So I don't think it works on swans-heards or werwolfs, since they use the "Summon Allies" command.

Swans to Horrors would be extremly effective however.

You just have to endure the "X has turned into a horror, fighting nothing" spam every turn.

[Kagus]

Oh, they can't do that? Odd, thought they could still summon during sieges in Dom4, but I'm not sure.

So, yeah... polypal mothers, pans, a few pretender chassis... what else?

[ThtblovesDF]

EA Maverni pigs :3

And while we are in Blood, one could use the soul-bound contracts to turn imps into horrors.

Been playing a little CoE 3 - i adore horrors there, they hardly ever show up where you want them and then they roam all over the place and kick ass.

[Micro102]

Anyone know the relation between the frost weapon bless on sacred archers and the fire arrows spell? Do you get both?

[Cruxador]

Anyone know the relation between the frost weapon bless on sacred archers and the fire arrows spell? Do you get both?

I don't see why not, but maybe test it if you're concerned. If it's magical bows, you won't.

[etgfrog]

Spoiler: patch notes (click to show/hide)

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General
Workshop for maps
3 new Arch Mage pretenders
New twiceborn shapes
Blood slaves are usually not present during assassinations
New spell: Awaken Jotun Draugar
Maps can have all files in its own subfolder
Download maps in savegame dir when playing via network
Luck no longer affects dead people
Size modified weapon lengths now works properly versus damage shields
Ulm shields got increased resource cost
Old Dominions 4 start option --passmount removed from --help
Spell scripting takes Strength of Gaia into account
More bronze weapons for Pangaea
Utgård, Phaeacia and T'ien Chi now starts with max upgraded forts
Poison Slings had incorrect graphical effect
Fire at closest with mindblasts could target non-mindless units
Wrong PD in new bronze indep poptype fixed
Mercs will desert if their leader is dead for unknown reasons
Twiceborn no longer affects demons
Smaller less likely to be hit than larger if in same square
Goto commander replaced with goto province when commander is dead
Parting of the Soul didn't produce any birds
Ravenous Swarm didn't work
Growing Fury didn't work
Foul Air didn't work
No fort upgrade construction can be performed if fort is or becomes under siege
Magic Duel more likely to be cast in huge battles
'P' for preach shortcut didn't work in allied provinces
AI can sail
AI use a second slot in research queue too
Events can now send a message to a second affected player too
Event fixes
Stat fixes
Typo fixes


Modding
Fix for sites with wallunits
New event commands: #req_nonation, #req_notforally, #extramsg
New commands for UW PD
New commands: #defunit1c..d & #defmult1c..d
New monster command: #twiceborn
Using mods could result in "No Name" commanders for Phlegra

AI can sail

I don't know why I laughed at this.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Smaller less likely to be hit than larger if in same square.

MA Jotunheim weeps. _{Not by a lot though.}

[E. Albright]

Of course not; the tears freeze and block the ducts.