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[NRDL]

Tri-Vision Goggles : (1) Roboson
Machinepistol 54 Compact  : (2) Taricus, Happerry, NRDL

[Roboson]

Another thing we may want to consider at some point in the future is a small incendiary device. A creative agent could use it in a lot of ways. Covering their tracks, making a distraction to escape with, destroying enemy infrastructure and supplies, it even can be a useful way to supplement gunfire in a firefight.

[Sensei]

Ooh I think I am going to play in one of these!

A-R1940 - A simple yet functional assault rifle developed during the war, roughly on par with the weapons of other world powers developed around the same time. Very obvious, but quite versatile. Cheap.

Clearly a cheap AS-AR34 knockoff.

Anyway, I suggest we go for something to make us quieter. We're already good with guns and winning in firefights, but we're getting hurt by attracting attention. I propose we develop silencers.

Design: Silencer
A device which screws onto the end of a gun barrel, and allows gases to pass through baffles and vent from the gun quietly, or at least much quieter than normal. If possible, our guns should be retrofitted with threaded barrels to accept the silencers immediately.

The only caveat would be that if we can get silencers onto our gun in a revision, the MP54 would probably be a better design. However, I hope one design in which we acquire silencers and retrofit them to our existing guns would be reasonable to ask. Ideally we should get them on all varieties of guns we have now and in the future. They should also be removable, because otherwise the silencer will make the gun longer and thus harder to conceal.

Tri-Vision Goggles : (1) Roboson
Machinepistol 54 Compact  : (2) Taricus, Happerry, NRDL
Silencer : (1) Sensei

[Taricus]

We can get silencers as a revision, Chiefwaffles has said so earlier on in the thread.

[Jilladilla]

Tri-Vision Goggles : (1) Roboson
Machinepistol 54 Compact  : (4) Taricus, Happerry, NRDL, Jilladilla
Silencer : (1) Sensei

And so I enter yet another Arms Race. But yeah, if we can get suppressors in a revision the machine pistol is a better design, unless this is going to be an uber-high tech-leans-on-Arms Race-physics Suppressor.

[Taricus]

Mind you, suppressors are also worthless if we don't have a weapon to mount them on as well; we only have assault rifles at the moment!

[Roboson]

I like the concealed pistol idea. Its definitely more spy-like than an assault rifle lol. It's probably best to spend this turn on getting that small arms niche filled out, and then revising it with something useful like silencers, night vision scopes, or incendiary ammunition.

[Chiefwaffles]

Tech Design: MP54 C
[2, 6, 3]

The Machinepistol 54 Compact's best quality is its size. It's very small. Our engineers are really proud of that. The engineers made extra-sure to show everyone how it could fit into a briefcase before moving onto the next part of the presentation. Oh, and have they mentioned it's Cheap? Amazing, right?

Disregarding that, the MP54 C is fairly underwhelming. While technically capable of automatic fire, it's equipped with a 10-round 9mm magazine inserted from the bottom. It can't reliably pierce our body armor but against unarmored hostiles it should do well enough. The gun is also made largely out of metal; while notably heavy and mildly uncomfortable to use, the gun's small enough that weight isn't a huge issue. It can be fit into small containers like briefcases and whatnot and can of course also be worn on person, though it's big enough to be somewhat noticeable even when worn under a jacket or something similar.

Due to problems in creating a proper auto-loading mechanism for the small size of the pistol, the MP54 C becomes extremely inaccurate when used for actual automatic fire. When used more slowly - a bit slower than a traditional pistol - it tends to be fine.


We were able to make use of our existing established production lines for the MP54 C, making it Cheap and available to be given to every operative.

Spoiler: MP54 C (click to show/hide)

MP54 C: A 9mm 10-round metal "machine"pistol technically capable of automatic fire, though it becomes impractically inaccurate when fired at/above the rate of a traditional pistol. Can be concealed in small containers like briefcases but is fairly noticeable when worn on the person without extra considerations. Weak stopping power and a bit heavy for its size. Cheap.

It is now the Revision Phase. Vote for a Skill and Tech revision to be worked on this phase.

[Taricus]

Skill Revision: Deep Sneaking

While our disguises have proven their worth, the rather immediate nature of their use is somewhat of a hindrance in high security positions. By working the disguises and cover longer, we can find that our agents are able to be overlooked by even Merkan agents; how are they to know the regular delivery man is an Astrian agent?

[Jilladilla]

So, what to do... Do we revise the MP54 to make it better in some manner, or do we go for suppressors?

For the skill revision, how about something like:
Firearm Smuggling
Our current tactic of disguises mandates that we cannot use any but the smallest of weapons, and we will take effort into fixing this issue. As such, effort will be put into concealing their weaponry wherever they may stealthily fit.

Whether it is simply inside a pizza or delivery box, or taped to the underside of a janitor's water bucket, this should allow our disguised agents to keep a weapon close at hand, even if a A-R1940 would likely be unable to fit into most disguise props.
So what do you all think?

[Taricus]

Suppressors for now, we can fix the automatic thing later. We don't need to work on firearm smuggling though; the MP54C is easily able to be smuggled in already, and with good aim one shot is all our agents will need.

[Jilladilla]

Suppressors for now, we can fix the automatic thing later.

Fair point; although I had a hilarious idea:

Threaded Barrel Extensions
These curious pieces of equipment can be screwed onto a threaded gun barrel of a specific caliber in place of a suppressor in order to extend the length of the gun barrel, helping accuracy and somewhat assisting range.

Notably, these barrel extensions are threaded themselves, allowing one to still attach a suppressor or even another barrel extension onto it.

With these, our agents can carry what is effectively a larger weapon in a more compact, and as such concealable, package; as long as they have a moment to attach the extensions to the weapon.

I'm trying to cut down on 'document full of design write-ups that will likely never see the light of the thread'... But think of it!  Our MG54 effectively becoming an SMG! An SMG that can effectively turn into a A-R1940 with one or two of these!... This is only semi-serious at the moment, not for now... But yeah, suppressors for now.

[Taricus]

We'd need a frame rework for it before it would be an SMG.

[Sensei]

It is less of an SMG and more a shit autopistol.

I still vote we go for suppressors. They will make our shit autopistols a good sneaking weapon, and they can fit on our assault rifles too. This would mean that while our assault rifles would be visibly obvious, people won't hear them from well outside visible range and start calling the police.

I don't favor the threaded barrel extensions, there's a chance they'll just be crap altogether and they'd take time to assemble. In that vein, we might be better off looking into full AR's that can be concealed in a briefcase if only while disassembled.

Revision votes:

Deep Sneaking: (1) Taricus
Suppressor: (1) Sensei
Threaded Barrel Extensions: (1) Jilladilla

[NRDL]

Revision votes:

Deep Sneaking: (2) Taricus, NRDL
Suppressor: (1) Sensei
Threaded Barrel Extensions: (1) Jilladilla