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[Zabin]

I'm trying to trade some good with the first caravan and I got this message.

"With your trade goods such as they are, I can't fathom you ending up with all of those items."

I don't understand that. He is making a profit and the weight is fine, what's wrong with the trade?

Edit: damn it, now he wont trade with me at all. I must be doing something really wrong, I never am able to trade for one reason or another.

[ April 20, 2008: Message edited by: Zabin ]

[jonnym]

Your trade goods are rubbish basicly.....   Just because hes getting loads of crappy mugs doesnt mean hes happy.   Leave him some more profit or take an item of your demands and he should trade next time.

Also a dwarf with higher social skills can often get the traders to buy anything and even make a loss because of your traders speechcraft.

[Zabin]

I wish there was a little more explination, or at least his comments be a little less vague. I didn't even realise that the quality of the good were a factor other than price-wise.

So just giving him more profit should work next time? Let's say my trader sucks as do all my crafts, about how much of a profit should I give him for him to be happy?

[bigmcstrongmuscle]

I think its usually measured in percents. He should accept about 200% profit right off the bat (i.e.: you get 10, he gets 20). I can usually get him down to 150% with a fairly new trader.

[Richards]

I had the exact problem. Is the trader an Elf? If he is, then you're trying to trade him something that he won't accept and take offense to. They refuse to take many things. Elf page on the Wiki

I agree, what they say is too vague.

[umiman]

It means you aren't giving him enough profit.

[HungryHobo]

An odd thing happened recently. The trade caravan arrived and I moved my piles of goblin socks to the depot.
My trader is quite experienced so I normally only have to give the trader 1 or 2 thousand profit when trading say 30K worth of items.

This time however the price of the goblin socks is almost double the norm(I think the trade agreement when the liason came listed footware as extra valuable.)

So I do the normal thing and trade enough that the trader gets about 2K profit.
No dice, trader complains about wanting to make a profit.

so I throw in a pile more stuff so he makes 10K profit.
Still no dice. more complaints.

push it up to almost 20K profit and the trader leaves in a huff because I'm not being serious....

How much profit do they want?? or do they sometimes not register the higher value due to trade agreements sometimes.

[BurnedToast]

quote:Originally posted by Zabin:
<STRONG>I wish there was a little more explination, or at least his comments be a little less vague. I didn't even realise that the quality of the good were a factor other than price-wise.

So just giving him more profit should work next time? Let's say my trader sucks as do all my crafts, about how much of a profit should I give him for him to be happy?</STRONG>

Quality does NOT matter, except for price. Profit made is the only thing that matters, at least as far as I can tell. The trader will just as happily take 5,000 no quality stone mugs as a single highly decorated encrusted one (assuming he can hold the 5,000 mugs anyway).

As for amount of profit, I usually give around 25% or so (you get 100 monies, he gets 125 monies) with a newbie trader and then just scale it down, once your trader gets very very skilled you really only need 5% - 10% or so (though I usually do more because at that point I've got mountains of goods anyway).

[Frelock]

If you give the trader 50% profit, that should make sure the trade goes through.  As to him leaving in a huff, if your trader has the "judge of intent" skill, he can see when the trader is getting close to leaving.  At that point, give him as much profit as you can afford to make him happy.

[Furious Fish]

quote:Originally posted by Richards:
<STRONG>I had the exact problem. Is the trader an Elf? If he is, then you're trying to trade him something that he won't accept and take offense to. They refuse to take many things. Elf page on the Wiki

I agree, what they say is too vague.</STRONG>

No, if that was the problem he'd get a different (unambiguous) message.
The merchant just wants more profit. Simple as that. The amount they want is dependent on the trading dwarf's social skills - with a highly skilled dwarf they'll accept a net profit of 0.

[AlmostEverywhere]

What people are saying is true, however, the specific "I can't fathom you ending up with all those items" message means that EVERYTHING you brought to the depot still wouldn't be enough to make him trade the goods of his you've selected.  In this case, you won't be able to trade unless you ask for less stuff, or bring more of your goods to the depot.  If you have enough goods presetn but your offer just isn't good enough, he'll usually just ask for more.

[Istrian]

I noticed it also happens when you offer them less goods than you ask for. For instance, when asking for 20 stacks of plump helmets (100 plump helmets, that is), if you offer a single item they will refuse the trade (unless the item is much, much valuable than the stacks)

[Annales]

Is there a difference for the trader in trading between imported (gobbo equipment) and created wealth (dwarfish goods)? Maybe they want some authentic products.

[Derakon]

To my knowledge, the only difference between imported and local goods is that local goods boost your "exported wealth" metric when sold, which helps determine the size of the next caravan.