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[Corpsmaker]

Is there a way I can get my dwarves to use wooden/stone weapons to train in order to prevent injury, rather than using their regular steel weapons.

Also, what lvl wrestling should I get my dwarves too before I start them on weapon training (they are all wearing steel plate/helms, but with low armor skill).

Lastly, I've heard alot of talk about seiges broken in g, any truth to this?

TY.

[sphr]

wrestling and plate armour just reduces frequency of serious sparring injuries.  But there's NOTHING in the world that can overcome deadly sparring.  (Even when a group of legendary wrestlers practice with weapons, they can still get permanent disabilities).

To change weapon material type, I don't know of an easy way.  The usual way is very painful and involves locked rooms, forbidden items etc to get the dwarves to pickup the "right" equipment.  Usually too troublesome for me to want to do it.

In the end, I just rely on the old "check regularly and especially before you save" and "load when stupid things happen like champion X gets his spine broken by recruit Y".  Not a good way to play, but other than this, either I eventually end up with a whole bunch of brain-dead, spine-sprained military which cannot be trained further, or everyone just dies off due to some lucky critical strike that either kills outright or causes intense bleeding that cannot be stopped in time...  There's a saying "shit happens".  Let's just say it happens a LOT in the current sparring system.

[Skanky]

Seiges have been broken up until 33g. As of this (at the moment, current) version, goblins will storm your fortress when they attack rather than just hanging around the outskirts of the map. As such, you will want a way to deal with them. Personally, I use obsidian weapon traps and keep my military non-existant. Makes training them easier.  

[Nos3y]

I let 'em duke it out with whatever weapons they can get their hands on. So far 3 champs have risen from the recruits. Along with several Sword/Spearmasters. Injuries? None yet. Will there be? You betcha. Equip 'em all with Shields, Plate, and pray that nothing goes wrong

[Captain Goatse]

Yeah, sparring is DEADLY. Expect many "Swordsman has suffocated" or "Elite Wrestler has bled to death" messages. And check your recruits, often you will see a nice dark yellow spine or neck injury (no further training is possible). Sieges got fixed, but you need at least 80 dwarves.

[Shadowslasher]

Injuries are unavoidable often, but there are things you can do.

Firstly, if a dwarf is extra strong like your legendary miner, don't make him a soldier. Untrained muscle men cause most sparring injuries.

Equip dwarves with shield and chain. Let dwarves build up their stats wrestling 'till about competent wrestler status. Wrestling is very dangerous past this point as neck injuries and spine injuries are not healable. Then equip plate.

When you want to add weapons, i recommend hammers. They do not wound organs, and rarely cause permanent damage. If you want to train other dwarves, try to get wooden weapons from the elves, or forge silver ones.

[Baro]

I have a method of training very good soldiers that has yet to see anything other than a minor injury here or there that heals pretty fast.

First,  recruit some peasants or what ever.  Give them all full plate with a shield and let them wrassle till their skills are high.

Then make copper hammers, let them go at that for a long time untill their hammer is nice and high.

Then finally give them all crossbows and let the bone bolts fly.

In the end you'll have great all around soldiers.  The reason you train hammer is because when a crossbow is used in close it uses the hammer skill (and a steel crossbow actually makes a good hammer weapon, and they WILL use their crossbows as hammers since they are idiots about ammo).

[ December 30, 2007: Message edited by: Baro ]

[Torak]

Anyone other than me wonder what weapons other than obsidian swords are stone?

[Kidiri]

quote:Originally posted by Torak:
<STRONG>Anyone other than me wonder what weapons other than obsidian swords are stone?</STRONG>

None, I believe. Unless you mod them in.

[Corpsmaker]

Hmmm, I'm not overly keen on training my warriors then, since my legendary miners are also spear users, and the rest of my peasant recruits are sword/axe users haha.

Looks like I need to make a lot of steel shields, and a lot of copper weapons  

[Skanky]

And it should probably go without saying, but you really don't want to be using obsidian swords for training purposes.  

[mutant mell]

I've just ended up letting them get competent armor skills, then giving them weapons for a while, ad whichever ones get brain injuries, I make them marksdwarfs.

[Tamren]

Currently i rely on a mix of traps and militia. I keep one squad of trained marksdwarves, and armour them up. Everyone else in the fortress gets crossbow training up to at least novice. When the goblins show up, i pop all the gates to lock em outside, arm up everyone else.

The traps take out a few, but I dont have very many of them. The entire population of my fortress clusters behind a single gate. War dogs to the sides, marksdwarves in front everybody behind.

Now apart from that one titan, everything dies in a MASSIVE blizzard of bolts  

[Funkadelic Jive Turkey]

quote:Originally posted by Captain Goatse:
<STRONG>Sieges got fixed, but you need at least 80 dwarves.</STRONG>

I've had sieges with about 60, so no.

Also, folks, in my opinion training wrestling doesn't really help reduce injury. This is because although, yes, wrestling makes them better dodgers, it also gives attribute gains. So when you then arm them with swords, spears, etc., then they are stronger but still unskilled with that weapon. Unless the dwarves only get tough attribute bonuses on their wrestling gains I think the good\bad cancel each other out. Still worth doing IMO because it'll still make them more prepared to face real enemies.

[Dkarrde]

Never had too many problems with severe injuries.  I think I can name once in the last few versions where somebody died while sparring.  I gave his corpse the profession name "Too Stupid To Live".

I usually just set them to naked wrasslin', then once they're skilled (and I've had time to manufacture sets of well-crafted iron armor) I armor them up and set them to practicing with real weapons.  I usually don't bother equipping them with crap weapons, and it works out reasonably well -- at least, per my experiences in past versions, they don't kill each other very often, and spine or other significant injuries are very rare.