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Re: Fire Emblem on Forums 3 (FEF3) Remake IC thread. Chapter 8: The Lie.
« Reply #3210 on: September 22, 2021, 10:59:15 pm »

:"The museum at Demura...?"
:"You think that entire terrible affair was a Domirian plot?"

Fer lapsed into pensive silence, mulling the idea over for several moments.
:"...I can't speak for the outside combat, and considering that you were already fighting by the time Marlow and I got out of the museum, that seems pretty viable."
:"It was a mess inside, though. I can't rule a setup out strictly, but if they were part of it, they were not a well-coordinated part of it. The series of events in there were... a disaster for and sort of from everyone involved until Carmen came in."

Fer sighed.
:"I... suppose it's yet another thing to think about. I can't really call it a relief, though, on my end, unfortunately - especially, of course, because it means the Domirians had every intention of getting everyone in there killed."

He cleared his throat and changed subject.
:"Anyway - things actually went... very, very well with Xanti, and he's fine in the aftermath of the battle. It turns out, I suppose, that I'd mostly been scaring myself. With his theory, though, it's something that is I suspect extremely theologically important, and quite likely historically important as well. It's best he explain it, though, especially because he has been keeping it under very tight wraps."
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« Reply #3211 on: September 23, 2021, 08:32:18 pm »

"I am pleased to hear that."
"Well, with you describing it in such manner, you certainly do have me very curious about this theory of his. It does sound extremely promising."

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« Reply #3212 on: September 26, 2021, 01:46:33 pm »

Amberly nodded solemnly.

: "It's more Carmen's idea than my own - I'm not sure what to think just yet - but it makes a certain amount of sense. We may never know the truth of the matter though.

"Anyway, Vortai has the right idea. If your brother has a theory, we should certainly hear it."
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« Reply #3213 on: September 26, 2021, 02:35:20 pm »

Fer couldn't help but, of course, make a comment in response to Amberly's last thought on the matter of Demura.
:"I suppose it's possible there's a lot we never get to know about. We're all actually very important people at this point... at this point we're diving headfirst into the chaos around the leadership of entire nations, and I guess we have been for a while. It means there's going to be a lot of messy secrets, I think. Thankfully, at least this next bit here is hearing a theory and getting an explanation instead of all that.

Fer gestured for Amberly and Vortai to follow him, perhaps a little redundantly, and then moved off in the direction of Xanti.
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« Reply #3214 on: September 28, 2021, 02:12:23 pm »

Xanti saw the return of Fer with Vortai and Amberly.

: Ah, Vortai, good to see you again, and I believe this is the first time we've met properly, Amberly, right?

: I assume Fer told you why the meeting, but you seem concerned by something else at the moment.
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« Reply #3215 on: September 28, 2021, 02:15:03 pm »

"Good to see you too, Xanti."
"Your assumption isn't wrong either, considering we received some disturbing news. It seems this hole we found ourselves in is a lot deeper than expected."

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« Reply #3216 on: September 30, 2021, 09:10:14 am »

"That is disgusting."

Indignant was a polite way to put just how Claude felt about having that sort of bloody incident provoked for someone's interest. He could understand it on an intellectual level, but he was frustrated by it still.

"Agreed. Hopefully, in the resolution to all this, we can bring those responsible to justice for their crimes." This was a part of politics she didn't think she could ever really understand. The idea of expending one's own charges like firewood for the hearth. . . well, she supposed that not everyone thought of the nobility in the same way as her. If this was what was meant to be "proper" nobility, however, she planned to go on being as improper as possible.
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« Reply #3217 on: September 30, 2021, 02:17:12 pm »

:"Still - being from the secular tradition I'm from, I'll admit I'm no expert in judging this, but I would expect that your theory, in a religious context, is important enough that it bears explanation anyhow, yes? It would be quite some time until they would get an opportunity to hear it again."
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« Reply #3218 on: September 30, 2021, 04:00:40 pm »

: Indeed. Xanti turned to the other two and started explaining. Going straight to the point, I believe the Old Gods, the religious figures Alvada has been based on since before the Reckoning, were actual physical figures that coexisted with people.

: I may not have evidence at the moment, but I have conjectures. The first one occurred to me when I was still in the Jasso library, and I wondered how far back the Jasso records went. I found out some recollections from pre-Reckoning eras, and something stood out to me.

: There is no mention to other civilizations apart from the Alvadan Kingdom, not even in passing. Surely there would have been other groups of people, other nations or tribes back when there was even more land available, right? But the records indicate only Alvada seemingly prospered after, and I quote, "gifts from the Old Gods". Xanti's voice sped up in a tone very reminiscent of Fer's own ramblings.

: What would these gifts be, I have no idea. Knowledge? Or physical objects such as the Royal Treasures? Whatever it was, Alvada had abilities beyond what we know now, such as the attempt of raising more land that caused the Reckoning. There is a major discordance between pre and post Reckoning human knowledge, as if we were being forcefully progressing forwards, or being granted knowledge and technology without developing it ourselves.

: And all of that stops right after the Reckoning. The world is plunged into war and ignorance, and we take many years to claw out of it, unable to advance as quickly as before. Before I continue, what do you know about the Reckoning itself?
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« Reply #3219 on: October 04, 2021, 04:50:32 pm »

"Excuse me? That's a very concerning theory, to say the least."
"And leads to MANY new questions too, if we truly received some direct assistance from powerful entities in the past."
"It has been a while since we talked about the Reckoning itself...and I haven't touched a book related to it since I began to travel, so my memory is a bit foggy. I just do remember the 'key' parts about the story, as we had been mostly focusing on that part in specific."
"...Exactly to prevent another Reckoning from happening. Turns out the Royal Treasures we got our hands on were, well, fake. So we are planning to look for the 'real' ones this time around."

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« Reply #3220 on: October 08, 2021, 02:54:06 pm »

Amberly listened intently, not wanting to interrupt with questions until invited.

: "I'm afraid that I don't know a great deal more about the Reckoning than is in any of the history texts. Probably the most important fact is that the Reckoning occurred the last time the artifacts were not gathered successfully."
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« Reply #3221 on: October 08, 2021, 03:31:41 pm »

: I find that quite plausible if, after all, the Royal Treasures are indeed direct physical gifts from the Old Gods themselves. But that's just one more piece in this intricate mesh of conjectures. I don't know if you're familiar with the historical tale that the last King of the pre-Reckoning Alvadan Kingdom said that the Reckoning was due to "humanity wanting to step on the Gods' domains".

: I believe everyone has taken that phrase for the meaning that trying to obtain more land for Alvada was akin to playing god, and that is why they were punished. But perhaps it could be taken more literally... As in, humanity literally tried to invade the Gods' land.

: With that change in perspective, and taken into account other things like Alvada's origins being in coastal cities, as well as most ancient ruins being located near the sea... There is one particular line of thought to follow.

: The Old Gods lived in the seas, and made contact with humanity at the edges of the continent, granting Alvadan civilization boons that allowed them to prosper above anyone else, physical boons such as the Royal Treasures. And then... Alvada's attempt to raise land was taken as a declaration of war by the Old Gods, which proceeded to defeat and punish humanity with overwhelming power, if the only thing that could have faced them was the Royal Treasures in conjunction.

: This would also explain why Armageddon wasn't ever found again, Fer. If I'm right, it was what the Old Gods used to cause the Reckoning, and is therefore probably laying under the sea.
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« Reply #3222 on: October 13, 2021, 10:44:35 am »

With nothing better to do and not exactly repelled by intellectual discourse just because he'd spent quite a bit of time doing pirating, Claude had approached the nerdy huddle a bit late to check whether it was a secret talk. He took the fact he wasn't reproached as a sign it was fine to listen in and did so.

"Have you been looking for magic that could cause a continental upheaval?"
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« Reply #3223 on: October 16, 2021, 12:22:39 pm »

There was a long silence from Fer as he took in the import of what his brother was saying - to say the least, he had dramatically underestimated the scope of Xanti's theory, and now that his further explanation had made rather clear what Xanti meant, Fer had to take a few moments to be stunned at the implications.

:"Hold on... oh. Oh. You don't mean to say that the Old Gods were human at all, you mean something entirely different."
:"That is... deeply concerning."
:"The connection with the sea could certainly make some sense considering the theological importance of the sea, as we see with Undine - but this... has several possible consequences for our future, as if we weren't in deep enough."
:"To understand more, I suppose I would need to know: what was the basis for the theory that swung you towards it? What does the evidence for this look like? I would want to take a look at it myself, if it were possible."

:"And, er, one more thing..." Here Fer looked at Claude as well, briefly, shrugging his shoulders. "Are you certain about Armageddon? The state of the surviving structures of the pre-Reckoning era, as well of course as the landmass changes, strongly suggest to me a primarily seismic event. My own research of previous Jasso family library organization documentation has suggested that Armageddon is a related to Meteor, likely its precursor. I suppose that Meteor does have some rather unique ability to summon rock, but this would imply Armageddon to not quite as much be a fire spell as its successors, and would imply to me a drastically different sigil structure. And, if the old Jasso family was able to hold onto world-level spells like that, as opposed to something more city or sub-city level in its destruction like I've been expecting... well, that has implications on its own."
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« Reply #3224 on: October 16, 2021, 12:56:41 pm »

: To be honest, I have no clue what the Old Gods could have really been. Human or not, if they were here before us, created us, or arrived here from somewhere else. All I have collected so far are small facts, pointing towards an unnatural progression of Alvadan civilization tied to these strange artifacts. Artifacts that somehow seem to know who is using them, such as the Royal Treasures, that are supposed to only be usable by members of the Alvadan Royal Family. Have any of you tried to draw power from them, or was it only your captain that is able to do so?

: There's a lot of tales of objects that only certain people are able to use, such as the famed Trident of Undine, and perhaps even artifacts that only Alvadans were able to use, giving them an advantage over other civilizations. And I suspect this ability is carried through blood, such as that every descendant of the first user of the Treasures is able to use it, as the Old Gods may have been able to alter humanity's blood in such a way that the artifacts would always know their chosen.

: But in any case, Armageddon is the key to this. The Jasso libraries tell of Armageddon not as a spell able to destroy an entire continent, but I think the Old Gods were able to draw more power, or draw it in a different way, maybe even because of this blood factor. As you said, Meteor can seemingly summon rock, and I've devised a theory where, inverting this effect, rock could be summoned away.

: And old maps from pre-Reckoning times describe the continent as a continuous mass of land, meaning that if Armageddon was a more powerful Meteor, inverting its effect and amplifying with the power the Old Gods were capable of harness... you could "summon away" enough land to create the three inner seas.

: That theory has some missing links that I've been unable to fill in. If only I could go to the Tower of Xos I could further develop it, but I haven't found a chance yet...
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