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[Cyroth]

I'm trying to create a civ that dies out and vanishes during the first 50 years after world gen. The dying works fine, but there is a problem. They don't reproduce so they die out after reaching max age, but the civ keeps getting repopulated by newcomers "of unknown parentage".

Is there any way to make that stop?

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

are they genderless? just make them all 1 gender and that might stop that

[ZM5]

If they were 1-gender, then they wouldn't show up in worldgen at all.

Something's weird with that - if a civilized creature is genderless, you will see civs of them in worldgen. If they're monogendered, they will not spawn at all - I ran into that problem when making the witches for my Darkest Dungeon pack.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

hmm.. Make a 1 gender a really high POP_RATIO and the other one something like 1, then they'd be forced to be mono gendered but tricked into thinking it's a full fledged creature

[Cyroth]

Thats what I did.
Weighted the pop ratio 50000:1 in favor of males, so there are so few females that they die out after a single generation.

But every time the civ should die it gets repopulated with a fresh batch "from unknown parentage".
Like this:





Just in case it matters, what I wanted to do was create a civ that has sole access to overpowered weapons (and only those) and can create artifacts. They should stick around for about 50 years, create a dozen or so legendary weapons (since those are the only moodable things they can produce) and then die out. By the time world gen stops those weapons would hopefully be spread all over the world, with no possible way to produce more.
Think the Wheel Of Times heron blades or the shardblades in the Stormlight Archieve for examples of what I want to accomplish.

[ZM5]

Finished the "playable" wild creature derivatives - I'm kinda surprised I'm still going on with this, since it seems each time I'm near completing a part of it another bit comes up that adds several more creatures to the idea. Got two megas to do now that I didn't think of before.

[D_E]

Thats what I did.
Weighted the pop ratio 50000:1 in favor of males, so there are so few females that they die out after a single generation.

But every time the civ should die it gets repopulated with a fresh batch "from unknown parentage".
Like this:


Just in case it matters, what I wanted to do was create a civ that has sole access to overpowered weapons (and only those) and can create artifacts. They should stick around for about 50 years, create a dozen or so legendary weapons (since those are the only moodable things they can produce) and then die out. By the time world gen stops those weapons would hopefully be spread all over the world, with no possible way to produce more.
Think the Wheel Of Times heron blades or the shardblades in the Stormlight Archieve for examples of what I want to accomplish.

Back when all members of civs were explicitly modeled, it was possible to do this, but the changeover to abstract populations broke it.  The game now appears to assume that all civilizations are capable of reproduction, resulting in the behavior you observed if they actually aren't.

I was not able to come up with a new scheme for assuring that a civ goes extinct.

If the pop limit tokens work again (those were also broken by the pop changeover) it's possible you can create a civ that has only one or a few sites, and is therefore PRONE to dying out during world gen (Lowering the Biome support values might also help this), but there would always be some chance of them surviving.

I believe you can make a civ that is essentially guaranteed to starve (make them agriculture-dependent and start in a biome where agriculture doesn't work), but I think that happens instantly, with no chance to create artifacts.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Today as I tested my Wild Dwarves and their wild ways, I discovered that the well-known and documented on the wiki bug in which Item_Thief civs can't trade properly (merchants spam 'a thief has stolen an xyx' message for everything in the wagon when they leave and you don't gain any exported wealth) has been fixed. I guess a side effect of all the comings and goings off the fortress map involved in this release. So yay. Without lifting a finger, my Wild Dwarves are working better.

[Vordak]

Wild Dwarves - how they differ from ordinary?

[Shonai_Dweller]

Inferiority complex ridden atheists.

You'd have to be a dwarf to understand how the great schism started. To outsiders they're much the same as regular dwarves, but tend to hang out in swamps and wear masks.

[scourge728]

Got my seagoers working, turns out that you cannot build a town in the ocean, and being aquatic does not prevent that fact

[Enemy post]

Never seen this cause for a war before.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[Urlance Woolsbane]

Never seen this cause for a war before.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Either you set "Reveal All Historical Events" to 0 or you've encountered a bug.

[Enemy post]

What's the bug? I didn't alter revealing historical events.

[Urlance Woolsbane]

What's the bug? I didn't alter revealing historical events.

The bug is that there's no listed cause for the war. "The causes of the conflict are debated" is the game's way of saying "This is lost to history." Seeing as you didn't mess with the settings, something is amiss. If I had to guess, I'd say a value got assigned beyond the bounds of the relevant string-array.