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[TomiTapio]

" [LOCAL_POPS_PRODUCE_HEROES] --new with 0.42.01: wild creature can join a civilization. "
It's nice on yeti, sasquatch, goblin adventurer, wandering monk human.

[Warlord255]

Well, the tick men murdered everyone. So much for revenge. I'll just tweak the bullet reactions to use saltpeter or brimstone respectively. On to new worlds!

Turns out LAYS_UNUSUAL_EGGS works for both genders if it's not caste-level. Tested this on dogs to see if it'd work as a byproduct for my Mule Worms, so now they have [LAYS_UNUSUAL_EGGS:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:FIRE_CLAY]. I only have anecdotal forum evidence for this not interfering with reproduction, so a longer-term fort test will be necessary.

Edit: ARRRRGH. Muleworms/packbugs are failing to give full coverage again. Man, this is vexing!

[Rumrusher]

so kinda found out what happens when you add an Animal_classes: General_poison to a entity,
you get access to the pre-generated races. still no signs of bogeymen though, so I might need to look into their raws to see any common animal Class traits. but it's possible to embark with say angels, and forgottenbeasts then have another fort deal with those beasts lurking about your place.

You can get access to generated beasties without DFHack or a hex-editor? Mahahaha. Amazing.

If nothing else, I suppose it would be good for an eldritch, let's-eat-reality-for-breakfast type civ. Though you'd have to exclude every raw-defined creature, which would be a pain no matter how you do it.


Having used the aforementioned hex-editor method, I can say that bogeymen are no great shucks outside of night ambushes. Although I do love that idea you had with gnomes riding them into battle (or was it bogeyman on cats?)

Bogeymen on flufflywamblers due to their Size being 1:2

though with the whole animal mount and pack animal tokens my set up has it where you can embark and randomly get any type of creature, so you could end up with animalmen pulling a wagon, or becoming merchant pack animals for hauling your trades.

[TomiTapio]

in my modding... there is good success today:


Yess!
" Kulet Tithlethlogem, Blacksmith has slipped into depression...
Kulet Tithlethlogem, Blacksmith cancels Drink: Too depressed. "

Fine-tuning for the win! Have migrant social skills AND a few mighty-stressed dwarves! (blood stain annoyance syndrome)

" `Led stressed', Beekeeper has been found dead, contorted in fear! " yess

[Eric Blank]

You got stressed ghosts too huh?

[Warlord255]

in my modding... there is good success today:


Yess!
" Kulet Tithlethlogem, Blacksmith has slipped into depression...
Kulet Tithlethlogem, Blacksmith cancels Drink: Too depressed. "

Fine-tuning for the win! Have migrant social skills AND a few mighty-stressed dwarves! (blood stain annoyance syndrome)

" `Led stressed', Beekeeper has been found dead, contorted in fear! " yess

Oh, please share that if you'd be so kind! I'm going to do some tests to see if I can get multiple syndromes working for blood and a stain-stress mechanic would be perfect.

[TomiTapio]

All right, for reasonable-stress dwarves, edit your materials a little.

ICHOR : thanks to Iceball3 for syndrome.

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[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:ichor spatter]
[SYN_IDENTIFIER:GROSS_ICHOR_COVER]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[SYN_INJECTED]
[SYN_NO_HOSPITAL]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:ANNOYANCE:SEV:85:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:90:END:220:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:DISGUST:SEV:25:PROB:80:START:10:PEAK:120:END:180:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:DISGUST:SEV:35:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:120:END:180:DWF_STRETCH:4] two disgust on purpose.
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:IRRITATION:SEV:35:PROB:50:START:10:PEAK:120:END:180:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:UNEASINESS:SEV:35:PROB:40:START:10:PEAK:120:END:180:DWF_STRETCH:4]


SWEAT:

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[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:heavy sweating] ---might hurt skill gains of military skills?!?!? xxxx
[SYN_IDENTIFIER:GROSSMAT]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[SYN_NO_HOSPITAL]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:ANNOYANCE:SEV:85:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:90:END:220:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:IRRITATION:SEV:35:PROB:90:START:80:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:DISPLEASURE:SEV:35:PROB:90:START:40:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]

[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:ANNOYANCE:SEV:85:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:90:END:220:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:IRRITATION:SEV:35:PROB:90:START:80:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:DISPLEASURE:SEV:35:PROB:90:START:40:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]

[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:ANNOYANCE:SEV:85:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:90:END:220:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:IRRITATION:SEV:35:PROB:90:START:80:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:DISPLEASURE:SEV:35:PROB:90:START:40:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]


I have split blood into three:
- dwarf blood (or whatever fort civ you have) : no syndrome
- people blood
- animal and beast blood
You can try moddding your everyone-blood with the following syndrome:

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[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:blood stains] --animal blood, medium syndrome for dwarves.
[SYN_IDENTIFIER:GROSS_BLOOD_COVER]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_CONTACT]
--SYN_INJECTED]
[SYN_NO_HOSPITAL]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:ANNOYANCE:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:90:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:ANNOYANCE:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:190:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:CONFUSION:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:90:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:CONFUSION:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:190:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:NERVOUSNESS:SEV:65:PROB:40:START:10:PEAK:120:END:180:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:UNEASINESS:SEV:45:PROB:40:START:10:PEAK:120:END:180:DWF_STRETCH:2]
On people_blood I have

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[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:people blood spatter] --civilized non-dwarf blood, heavy syndrome for dwarves.
[SYN_IDENTIFIER:GROSS_BLOOD_COVER]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_CONTACT]
--SYN_INJECTED]
[SYN_NO_HOSPITAL]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:ANNOYANCE:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:90:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:ANNOYANCE:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:190:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:CONFUSION:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:90:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:CONFUSION:SEV:42:PROB:100:START:10:PEAK:190:END:170:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:NERVOUSNESS:SEV:65:PROB:40:START:10:PEAK:120:END:180:DWF_STRETCH:2]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:UNEASINESS:SEV:45:PROB:40:START:10:PEAK:120:END:180:DWF_STRETCH:2]


If the everyone-blood causes zero social skills on migrants, then you gotta separate dwarf blood from all other blood and have no syndrome on dwarf blood.
Note: don't add glumness to TEARS because causes forever-tears loop. I have no syndrome on tears now.
Note: too long duration (over 180) might stop all social skills learning. Not sure. I better reduce my sweat_syndrome duration now.

You got stressed ghosts too huh?

I guess a mega-stressed (230k) dwarf met a ghost and got a heart attack, hecking rare

[Enemy post]

With this mod for Gmod, Doom and Half Life characters can be brought together in basically their original form. Sometime, I should set up some fights between my Half Life creatures and ZM5's Doom ones. After that, I could run the originals against each other and see how close the results are between the games. If ZM5 doesn't mind, of course.

Wouldn't mind seeing the results, think it'd be a pretty fun experiment.

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the Doom V Half Life gladiatorial showdown! I will do whatever combinations seem appealing, and then run the same fights in both games to see how it turns out.


Set One:Zombiemen vs Headcrab Zombies

First off, we have 10 zombiemen vs 10 headcrab zombies. In ZM5's mod, the zombiemen have the equipment of Dwarf Fortress humans. I gave them crossbows and iron armor.

Spoiler: Dwarf Fortress (click to show/hide)

Round 1



The headcrab zombies had an early advantage, but the zombiemen's armor and weapons ultimately turned the tide after an initial beating. Victor:Zombiemen, with six causalities.


Round 2



The zombiemen put up a more effective defense this time. They managed to separate and cripple the headcrabs, resulting in an easier win.

Victor:Zombiemen, with four causalities.


Round 3



This time, I set the combatants right next to each other, in order to see if that would negate the range advantage. It allowed the headcrab zombies to get into combat more quickly, but in the end it wasn't enough.

Victor:Zombiemen, with five causalities.


Doom wins, 3/3.

Not going to do extra rounds for Gmod fights. I found that the relatively more restrictive combat system meant that if a fight ended in a certain way, it was likely to end up the same way every time.

Spoiler: Gmod (click to show/hide)

10 vs 10. In Gmod, the weapons and armor ceased to be so much of an advantage, and Doom's monster infighting caused the Zombiemen to shoot each other almost as much as the enemy.

Victor:Headcrab zombies, with zero casualties.

Set Two:Pinkies vs Antlions


These fights are packs of 10, again.

Spoiler: Dwarf Fortress (click to show/hide)

Round 1



Alright, I'm supposed to talk about the fight, but I have to draw attention to this. An antlion grabbed a demon by the toe and then smacked himself in the head with it so hard that he exploded. Anyway the antlions won.

Victor:Antlions, with five causalities.

Round 2



The pinkies put up a much better fight this time. Only two battered antlions walked away from this one.

Victor:Antlions, with eight causalities.


Round 3



The antlions won this one quickly. In the end, I think the antlions won simply because they're bigger. Both sides' weapons were deadly to their opponents, but in the end the antlions were over twice the weight of their opponents.

Victor:Antlions, with four causalities. One of the antlions was killed by another self-inflicted demon bludgeoning.


Half Life wins, 3/3.

Spoiler: Gmod (click to show/hide)

10 vs 10. The demons quickly showed a major advantage in speed and damage here. The antlions couldn't keep up.

Victor:Pinkies, with one casualty.

Set Three:Lost Souls vs Manhacks

Spoiler: Dwarf Fortress (click to show/hide)

Round 1



First off, 1 lost soul vs 1 manhack. This was a simple enough fight. The lost soul managed a solid hit to the manhack's blade-rotors, but the manhack quickly took control of the fight and slashed the lost soul apart.

Victor:Manhack.


Round 2.



10 manhacks vs 10 lost souls. The manhacks won this fight handily. The lost souls' teeth and horns simply couldn't get through the manhacks' metal armor.

Victor:Manhacks, with zero causalities.


Round 3.



5 lost souls vs 1 manhack. The manhack won again without much effort.

Victor:Manhack.


Half Life wins, 3/3.

Spoiler: Gmod (click to show/hide)

10 vs 10. This was a good fight. The air was littered with soul explosions and manhack wreckage. In the end, only one side was left.

Victor:Lost Souls, with seven casualties.

Set Four:Hell Knights vs Bullsquids

Spoiler: Dwarf Fortress (click to show/hide)

Round 1



10 vs 10. This was a close fight. After the initial skirmishing, both sides started rapidly losing troops. Ultimately, two wounded hell knights were the only ones left standing.

Victor:Hell knights, with eight causalities.


Round 2



5 vs 5. This fight was closer than the previous one, with the hell knights showing a clear dominance despite the bullsquid bites taking a toll.

Victor:Hell knights, with two causalities.


Round 3



1 vs 1. The two creatures absolutely savaged each other. They started out darting back and forth in a circle, jabbing back and forth before descending into brutal grappling. Ultimately they were worn down by countless wounds and both passed out from pain and exhaustion. However, only the bullsquid ever woke up.

Victor:Bullsquid.


Doom wins, 2/3.

Spoiler: Gmod (click to show/hide)

10 vs 10. The bullsquids got slaughtered in seconds. I was honestly kind of disappointed.

Victor:Hell Knights, with zero casualties.

Set Five:Arachnotrons vs Hunters


All fights here are 10 vs 10.

Spoiler: Dwarf Fortress (click to show/hide)

Round 1



The arachnotrons put up a good fight here, but ultimately the hunters emerged victorious. I think the arachnotrons may actually have been disadvantaged by their more reliable guns, since the hunters' slower weapons meant they were more inclined to use their claws to great effect.

Victor:Hunters, with four casualties.


Round 2



We have our first true reversal. I'm not sure what was different this time around. The two sides initially matched each other kill for kill, but then the arachnotrons suddenly pulled ahead and stomped through the Combine synths.

Victor:Arachnotrons, with four casualties.


Round 3



The arachnotrons were not messing around this time. After a traded hail of flechettes and plasma, the arachnotrons utterly put their opponents down.

Victor:Arachnotrons, with one casualty.


Doom wins, 2/3.

Spoiler: Gmod (click to show/hide)

The hunters' initial charge was disrupted by the arachnotrons plasma barrage and the two sides mixed into a chaotic melee. The hunters didn't seem to be able to land their "combining" flechette attack on their Doom opponents.

Victor:Arachnotrons, with four casualties.

Set Six:Imps vs Headcrabs

Spoiler: Dwarf Fortress (click to show/hide)

Round 1



10 vs 10. The imps won this one effortlessly and tossed the headcrabs around like ragdolls. The only casualty they took happened when a headcrab managed to knock an imp unconscious with a lucky hit and latch on.

Victor:Imps, with one casualty.


Round 2



1 vs 1. I had expected the imp to win this one quickly, but the headcrab was tenacious. It kept darting around and scratching at the demon until it eventually collapsed and the headcrab mauled it.

Victor:Headcrab.


Round 3



5 vs 5. This one was the most balanced of the three, possibly because I spaced the combatants out more. The imps could easily kill the headcrabs with a good hit, but if the headcrabs could get an imp down they'd typically score a broken neck.

Victor:Imps, with three casualties.



Doom wins, 2/3.

Spoiler: Gmod (click to show/hide)

10 vs 10. The imps lost one of their number to concentrated attacks, but their claws allowed them to slice up any headcrabs that got into melee.

Victor:Imps, with one casualty.

Set Seven:Revenants vs HECU marines.

Spoiler: Dwarf Fortress (click to show/hide)

Round 1



10 vs 10. The HECU got stomped, easily. They couldn't seem to land any serious hits on the revenants and the demons happily danced through their bullets and ripped the marines apart.

Victor:Revenants, with zero causalities.


Round 2



5 vs 5. Poor marines.

Victor:Revenants, with zero causalities.


Round 3



1 vs 1. The HECU marine tried his best and landed numerous hits, but ultimately could do little to pierce the revenant's armor before it eventually caught and squished him.

Victor:Revenants, with zero casualties.


Doom wins, 3/3.

Spoiler: Gmod (click to show/hide)

10 vs 10. The Revenants opened this fight with an broadside of missiles that drove the HECU back. However, the Marines more advanced AI then kicked in. They took cover behind a chokepoint and relentlessly picked away at the demons for as long as they could. Eventually the HECU were reduced to a sole survivor. He accidentally killed himself with a grenade.

Victor:Revenants, with six casualties.

Set Eight:Cacodemons vs Combine soldiers.

Spoiler: Dwarf Fortress (click to show/hide)

Round 1



10 vs 10. In a reverse of the zombiemen vs headcrab zombies fight, the Combine's gear made the difference here. The demons were significantly physically stronger than the soldiers, but their lack of skulls made it easy enough for the Combine to shoot or bash their way to the demons' brains.

Victor:Combine soldiers, with four casualties.


Round 2



10 vs 10. The Cacodemons got in closer this time and were able to apply their bites more often. However, it wasn't enough to get over the advantages of the Combines' equipment and combat skills.

Victor:Combine soldiers, with five casualties.


Round 3



10 vs 10. Like before, the gear was just too much of an advantage.

Victor:Combine soldiers, with three casualties.


Half Life wins, 3/3.

Spoiler: Gmod (click to show/hide)

The cacodemons took one casualty, but they had the hit points to survive the bullets and grenades of the Combine troops.

Victor:Cacodemons, with one casualty.

Set Nine:Spider Mastermind vs Gargantua.

Spoiler: Dwarf Fortress (click to show/hide)

Round 1



1 vs 1. The Gargantua easily overpowered the Mastermind and killed it by grabbing the demon and smashing it into the ground. A bit of an anticlimax, there.

Victor:Gargantua.


Round 2



1 vs 1. I started them farther apart this time. The Mastermind riddled the Gargantua with bullets, but in the end they didn't do enough to actually hurt the monster.

Victor:Gargantua.


Round 3



5 vs 5. The Gargantuas' flamethrowers decided this fight. The Masterminds couldn't do much while getting incinerated and tossed around.

Victor:Gargantuas, with zero causalities.


Half Life wins, 3/3.

Spoiler: Gmod (click to show/hide)

1 vs 1. As in Dwarf Fortress, the Gargantua doesn't care about a few hundred bullets.

Victor:Gargantua.

Final Set:Cyberdemon vs Strider.

Spoiler: Dwarf Fortress (click to show/hide)

Round 1



1 vs 1. This one went on for four pages of combat as the two durable monsters looked for an opportunity to actually hurt their opponent. Eventually the Cyberdemon managed to take out the strider's legs and punch through the head's carapace.

Victor:Cyberdemon.


Round 2



1 vs 1. This time I started them right next to each other. This resulted in the same outcome as last time, but much quicker.

Victor:Cyberdemon.


Round 3



1 vs 1. It was pretty clear by now that the Cyberdemons outmatched the striders. The strider couldn't manage to catch the Cyberdemon with any serious hits and that was that.

Victor:Cyberdemon.


Doom wins, 3/3.

Spoiler: Gmod (click to show/hide)

As a boss fight, striders are challenging because they hit you with withering gunfire as you fire one rocket at a time. The Cyberdemon is unaffected by both concerns.

Victor:Cyberdemon.

[ZM5]

Eventually the HECU were reduced to a sole survivor. He accidentally killed himself with a grenade.

Bravo Nolan.

This was something amazing - I love arena fights. The Hell Knight gouging the bullsquid's eye only for the entire skull to collapse was damn gruesome.

[Warlord255]

Okidoke - turns out I've been horribly wrong! Multiple syndromes on one material does appear to work! My SYN_INGESTED for blood drinkers is functioning perfectly well alongside your blood stress syndrome!

However, I'm puzzled by the mention of skills. Does having any syndrome cause skill gains to freeze for the duration? If so, that's quite grim.

[scourge728]

So, I tried to do some of that, and as it turns out 1. Mega mewtwo Y is ABSURD at murdering things without being hurt, such as murdering 2 cyberdemons without being hurt, and then murdering 4 with severe injuries and 2. Mega mewtwo Y is also apperently dragonfire proof as it murdered Godzilla with nothing more than fat being melted

[TomiTapio]

Okidoke - turns out I've been horribly wrong! Multiple syndromes on one material does appear to work! My SYN_INGESTED for blood drinkers is functioning perfectly well alongside your blood stress syndrome!
However, I'm puzzled by the mention of skills. Does having any syndrome cause skill gains to freeze for the duration? If so, that's quite grim.

If too much bad emotions on sweat & blood, migrants will arrive with no social skills whatsoever.
I had to fine-tune lots. You'll have a totally-zero-social-skills fort if the syndromes are the wrong emotions (glumness?) or too long (or too strong??)

Don't know if combat skills stop advancing while suffering from blood_stains, sweaty_pits, ichor_stains.
One can try to have a bathing pool or water-mist-fall to wash 'em up. Or maybe cats licking dorfs clean.

[Nihilist]

My current efforts are on a combat rework... and I'm finding really really weird material behavior.

The old formulas for edged deflection no longer seem to apply. Matching shear yield values seems to effectively make a material unable to cut(even with 10x fracture values!), and even just slight values over allows it to be cut like butter.(Edit: I knew that same fracture values caused blunting, but didn't know it was the same for yield).

The good news is that there seems to be some rhyme and reason to this, but I've ran into other strangeness, namely armor taking damage on a deflection. I've been able to break a breastplate without puncturing it. So far I'm uncertain if this is from impact(though I don't think so as no damage went through at all) or some other mechanic.

Once I have more findings, I think I'll make a a new 44.xx:Material science thread.

It's also possible that I'm totally wrong, but it's not working nearly how I expected.

[Enemy post]

So, I tried to do some of that, and as it turns out 1. Mega mewtwo Y is ABSURD at murdering things without being hurt, such as murdering 2 cyberdemons without being hurt, and then murdering 4 with severe injuries and 2. Mega mewtwo Y is also apperently dragonfire proof as it murdered Godzilla with nothing more than fat being melted

I wonder how the fat got melted if Mewtwo was immune to fire. My guess is that while Mewtwo was immune to fire, Godzilla heated the air itself enough to cause burns.

[scourge728]

All I know for sure is that other than the fat melting, Mewtwo had no injuries, but they ARE susceptible to being bled to death by lava, after flying out of it (after I put them into it by assuming control, mostly to dispose of those that DO receive injuries