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No it is really <comfy> here :^)

Sorry what was the question?

The galaxy is a hoax, nothing exists outside of planet earth.

Why don't scientists do something useful like fix the economy instead?

We don't need to go to vacuum in space, we have vacuums here.

[syvarris]

Yeah, the thing which really struck me as cheaty was the 10x fortress density.  It makes for a good story, but it also means there was somewhat less challenge to LW's accomplishments than one would expect (given what LW said, at least; I've never played Stellaris).  The only real meaning that has is that it would be wrong to share this while emphasizing how impressive LW's achievement was.

...Ah, and hi!  This thread is amazing, I've really enjoyed reading it!  Someone should definitely share it on Reddit after the conclusion, not to brag, but just so more people can enjoy the story.  It's really good.

[TalonisWolf]

As someone who has played Stellaris, I found the vanilla fortress density to be rather silly- by the mid to late game they're obsolete.

If you use the Monster Waves 3 or the Pirate Waves 2 mod they have a little use, but even then they are rendered obsolete in the late game barring specific circumstances. In fact, the creator of those mods recommends you use a mod that lowers the fortress density.

Spoiler: To put it in perspective: (click to show/hide)

 If you put a Star Fortress in the center of most star systems, you'll only be able to build more stations at the very edge of the system. Like so:



In my current game, I'm fielding 29k-31k fleet power while most of the empires around me are fielding 10k-30k.

My best Star fortress has a mere 7.4k fleet power and cost 1152 minerals. In order for them to be cost effective, I have to place them near my starports (2.1k-2.3k, usually) so I split an enemy fleet up between the two, and all that does is buy time for my fleet to arrive. Without significant reinforcement from my fleet, I'd be lucky to see them take out a single enemy ship.

And those are ordinary enemies- against a crisis-level enemy like the Prethoryn? Ironically, the first defense platform with nothing equipped except for a subspace snare is the only useful thing, in that you can make them take longer to get to planets to infest... and you'd need a lot of minerals and construction ships for it to be any good as a tactic.

[Paxiecrunchle]

can we have a new poll given that we in fact, HAVE left earth?

[TalonisWolf]

What would Loud Whispers but in the poll?

[Paxiecrunchle]

What would Loud Whispers but in the poll?

Options for what to do with earth when we return to it, perhaps?

[TalonisWolf]

Alright, as far as I can tell the options are:

• Gaia Terraform Earth
• Continental Terraform Earth
• Build a memorial over Earth (Earth Memorial Habitat)
• Leave it be/Quarantine it

Did I forget/not think of any?

[Egan_BW]

EXPLODE EARTH

[TalonisWolf]

EXPLODE EARTH

Um, Stellaris doesn't have that as a option in Vanilla... I mean, if Loud Whispers felt like it he could use a mod, but he's done really well trying to keep it close to Vanilla (which is what makes this so impressive, tbh- one planet, survived the Prethoryn Scourge and is beating them).

[Loud Whispers]

New strawpoll
For the memorial idea I changed it a bit. Building a memorial habitat over it didn't seem right, so instead the way I'd do it would be to colonize it with robots, build a great big monument, then deconstruct all the robots until the planet is uninhabited. This will leave it pristine and empty, full of Earth native life, but untouched by human buildings except for the monument.

Um, Stellaris doesn't have that as a option in Vanilla... I mean, if Loud Whispers felt like it he could use a mod, but he's done really well trying to keep it close to Vanilla (which is what makes this so impressive, tbh- one planet, survived the Prethoryn Scourge and is beating them).

It would be pretty easy to change the planet class with a small mod. Not sure why exploding Earth is a good idea, but it can be done

[Harry Baldman]

The great thing about making Earth into a Gaia world is that we can still populate it with Earth fauna entirely, but also any other cool fauna we got from anywhere else! Anyone and everyone will be welcome to visit Earth as much as they like, because if you really love something you have to set it free from the surly bonds of ecological limitations and let it find its own groove free from the terrible history of the Great Anthropogenic Extinction. I'm sure we can trust Mother Earth to find a solution that suits it eventually in its glorious retirement.

[☼Another☼]

We have come so far from earth. Do we really want to not bring it back, and disgrace it's memory as a Gaia world? We will not try to make it perfect, but the same. We will not disgrace the memory of the Earth, of our ancestors by destroying all that it stood for like the enemy! We must restore back to a continental world, as it used to be.

[NJW2000]

That makes no sense at all. Before the Prethoryn Scourge we were ready to adapt, to improve, to create a utopia for all sentient beings. Why should we let them change our values? The past cannot be altered, so rather than look inward and back with a lifeless memorial or nostalgic fantasy, we must look outward and forward by creating a true utopia. Earth shall be the first of a galaxy of ideal planets!

It is only thus, by staying true to our dreams and ideals no matter the circumstances, that we may claim spiritually never to have left earth.

[Egan_BW]

That makes no sense at all. Before the Prethoryn Scourge we were ready to adapt, to improve, to create a utopia for all sentient beings. Why should we let them change our values? The past cannot be altered, so rather than look inward and back with a lifeless memorial or nostalgic fantasy, we must look outward and forward by creating a true utopia. Earth shall be the first of a galaxy of ideal planets!

It is only thus, by staying true to our dreams and ideals no matter the circumstances, that we may claim spiritually never to have left earth.

This

[ATHATH]

That makes no sense at all. Before the Prethoryn Scourge we were ready to adapt, to improve, to create a utopia for all sentient beings. Why should we let them change our values? The past cannot be altered, so rather than look inward and back with a lifeless memorial or nostalgic fantasy, we must look outward and forward by creating a true utopia. Earth shall be the first of a galaxy of ideal planets!

It is only thus, by staying true to our dreams and ideals no matter the circumstances, that we may claim spiritually never to have left earth.

+1

[Sirus]

That makes no sense at all. Before the Prethoryn Scourge we were ready to adapt, to improve, to create a utopia for all sentient beings. Why should we let them change our values? The past cannot be altered, so rather than look inward and back with a lifeless memorial or nostalgic fantasy, we must look outward and forward by creating a true utopia. Earth shall be the first of a galaxy of ideal planets!

It is only thus, by staying true to our dreams and ideals no matter the circumstances, that we may claim spiritually never to have left earth.

This...makes the opposite of sense to me. The goal is to return to Earth. Not some pretty facsimile, not some Disneyland fairy-tale version of the homeworld, but EARTH.

I know we can never return the world to exactly the way it once was; impact craters, if nothing else, will have forever altered the landscape, and countless species are undoubtedly extinct. But if we want to claim, in spirit if nothing else, that we had never left Earth, then let's return it to the way it once was. The flowing rivers AND the burning deserts. The lush jungles AND the frozen wastelands. From the open plains to the darkest caves, from the deepest oceans to the highest mountains, we must restore Earth as a Continental world in all its glory.

Ideally, I'd like to terraform Olympia back into an ice world as well. I can't even begin to imagine how many species, adapted to the frigid cold, are now either extinct or live on only in climate-controlled zoos. If we want perfectly ideal, universal climates, that's what habitats are for.