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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #495 on: August 22, 2017, 01:36:27 pm »
We could use the nat effort resource for something else, and if all else fails, we an put in a revision or even a design to put the spitters in their own rules, that would let them redeploy as fast as we want. It wouldn't be that much of a problem, I wouldn't think. The strategic mobility is trumped by the fact that we can have them on all fronts simultaneously, which I doubt they can with their mages.
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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #496 on: August 22, 2017, 01:38:58 pm »
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We could use the nat effort resource for something else

The Revencher is not fit for deployement right now, so we can't use it for something else.

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which I doubt they can with their mages.

The Apprentices are deployed on every front, and so can Mages.
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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #497 on: August 22, 2017, 01:41:40 pm »
Quote from: Blood_Librarian on August 22, 2017, 01:36:27 pm
We could use the nat effort resource for something else, and if all else fails, we an put in a revision or even a design to put the spitters in their own rules, that would let them redeploy as fast as we want. It wouldn't be that much of a problem, I wouldn't think. The strategic mobility is trumped by the fact that we can have them on all fronts simultaneously, which I doubt they can with their mages.
When we'll need to deploy new nat effort (like when actually start a winnable siege) we can revise spitters. Doing stuff in advantage is one of our problems.

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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #498 on: August 22, 2017, 02:00:39 pm »
Strongpoint Math Check

40 Spitters  inflict [ranged] 7 skirmishers, 1 bowmen, 5 hoplites, 5 cavalry, 86 spearmen, 1037 slaves
When attacking
  14 skirmishers   0.6%
  2 bowmen         0.2%
  29 hoplites        1.4%
  10 cavalry         0.4%
  3 ballistae         0.1%
  4 apprentices    0.4%
  221 spearmen   10%
  1833 slaves       86.6%


8 Hunters inflict [charge] 3 spearmen, 26 slaves
When attacking
  7 skirmishers    0.7%
  1 bowmen        0.1%
  24 hoplites       2.4%
  5 cavalry          0.5%
  3 ballistae        0.3%
  4 apprentices    0.4%
  135 spearmen   13.8%
  796 slaves        81%

Seems to check out.

However, one important note, the low rate of Slave killing here is because the SPitters thinned them out. Based on other fronts, you get other info.

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First front :  16 hunters kill 4 spearmen, 55 slaves
Second Front : 8 hunters kill  3 spearmen, 26 slaves
Third Front : 7 hunters kill 1 spearmen, 24 slaves

So, on average 3.4 Slaves and 0.25 Spearman per Hunter

On those fronts, the Hunter performed even better.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2017, 02:20:32 pm by 10ebbor10 »
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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #499 on: August 22, 2017, 02:07:44 pm »
...well, let it never be said that I refuse to change my position when faced with evidence to the contrary.

Alright, sure, double hunter all the way across the sky.

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Spitter Revision plan C (1) FallacyofUrist,
Spitter Revision plan D (3) Blood_Librarian, flazeo25, Puppyguard
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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #500 on: August 22, 2017, 02:15:47 pm »

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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #501 on: August 22, 2017, 02:36:33 pm »
Segmented Chitin
Rather then a haphazard patchwork the hunter now has alternating bands of flexible chitin which incorporates biological springs and heavy solderer chitin. This gives them far better maneuverability,  They can bend their body around almost 90 degrees now and have a far tighter turning radius.

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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #502 on: August 22, 2017, 02:42:31 pm »
Wait, are you voting for two different armour upgrades?
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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #503 on: August 22, 2017, 02:45:30 pm »
Sort of, mine makes them more maneuverable, 10ebbor10's makes them more durable.
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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #504 on: August 22, 2017, 04:05:13 pm »
Alright, so, Strongpoint hates this idea, but we might want to save a die for the strategy phase, in order to redistribute some troops to front 3. We're close to wiping them out on that front, and if we do, we ignore the fort- even if they upgrade it.

Edit: Nevermind, Iituem changed his mind. We don't get to ignore the fort. Because it would give us an advantage, apparently.

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Spitter Revision plan C (1) FallacyofUrist,
Spitter Revision plan D (3) Blood_Librarian, flazeo25, Puppyguard
Improve explosive muscles power (4) strongpoint, Detoxicated, Draignean, NUKE9.13
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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #505 on: August 22, 2017, 04:39:05 pm »
On a side note, I disliked Strongpoint's revision based on fluff reasons. I want to insects, not insect shaped mammals.

High intensity muscles Designed for use on the Hunter, these adapted muscles have a far bigger and better developped mitochondria than can be expected in normal muscle tissue. In addition, they're extensively tracheated. Movement of the muscle changes air flow of the trachea, resulting in very effective transfer of air trought the muscle tissue.

The goals are a generic improvement on explosive muscles. Freater efficiency through advanced mitochondria, greater power through better aereation, and suchlike. The same as Strongpoint's original revision.
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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #506 on: August 22, 2017, 04:42:25 pm »
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Spitter Revision plan D (3) Blood_Librarian, flazeo25, Puppyguard
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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #507 on: August 22, 2017, 04:46:31 pm »
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Spitter Revision plan B (0)
Spitter Revision plan C (1) FallacyofUrist,
Spitter Revision plan D (3) Blood_Librarian, flazeo25, Puppyguard
Improve explosive muscles power (2) Detoxicated, Draignean
Segmented Chitin (1) kopout
High intensity muscles (2) strongpoint, NUKE9.13

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Reinforced Chitinous Armor ( 9 ) 10ebbor10, Blood_Librarian, FallacyofUrist, strongpoint, detoxicated, flazeo25, NUKE9.13, kopout, Puppyguard

It's a cosmetic change, but damnit, cosmetics matter.
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Re: Hive Race: The Hive
« Reply #508 on: August 22, 2017, 04:48:19 pm »
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Die 1
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Spitter Revision plan A2 (0)
Spitter Revision plan B (0)
Spitter Revision plan C (1) FallacyofUrist,
Spitter Revision plan D (2) Blood_Librarian, Puppyguard
Improve explosive muscles power (2) Detoxicated, Draignean
Segmented Chitin (1) kopout
High intensity muscles (3) strongpoint, flazeo25, NUKE9.13

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« Reply #509 on: August 22, 2017, 04:49:39 pm »
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Spitter Revision plan B (0)
Spitter Revision plan C (1) FallacyofUrist,
Spitter Revision plan D (2) Blood_Librarian, Puppyguard
Improve explosive muscles power (2) Detoxicated, Draignean
Segmented Chitin (1) kopout
High intensity muscles (4) strongpoint, flazeo25, NUKE9.13, 10ebbor10

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