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[helmacon]

League, 1st front. 5 apprenteces present, 6 were killed. Something's still off with your program.

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  League 1st Front
  0 skirmishers
  0 bowmen
  9 hoplites
  0 cavalry
  0 ballistae
  2 apprentices
  0 mages
  0 spearmen
  0 slaves
  0 aphrokema
918 manpower spent, 9 skirmishers, 16 hoplites, 6 cavalry, 0 ballistae, 3 apprentices, 189 spearmen, 843 slaves, 0 mages reinforced.
League 1st Front Deaths: [charge] 5 skirmishers, 5 hoplites, 1 cavalry, 1 apprentices, 70 spearmen, 421 slaves, [skirmish] 7 hoplites, 44 spearmen, 150 slaves, [melee] 11 skirmishers, 2 bowmen, 25 hoplites, 11 cavalry, 3 ballistae, 5 apprentices, 199 spearmen, 678 slaves

[Madman198237]

And why is it split into two categories of apprentices?

[Terenos]

Things continue going poorly. I think it can be proven they are just revising their troops every turn and the body count is rising.
Front 2 seems to be holding on, barely. Its troop count is going up, bit by bit, and we are butchering them faster, ish. Front 3 was actually surprisingly a victory. Their territorial control took a HUGE hit.

I think we should save all 5 of our dice and just revise our troops for effectiveness. Mages(I mean magic users in general). Aphrokema, and Spearmen, to create the biggest impact, spend 1 die for colonization, and 1 to shore up the colonization that failed.

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Also, We had 8 apprentices on the first front. 5 last turn, 3 reinforced, -6 to casualties. 2 remaining. Looks fine to me.

[helmacon]

Also, We had 8 apprentices on the first front. 5 last turn, 3 reinforced, -6 to casualties. 2 remaining. Looks fine to me. 

where are you reading this? Other unit numbers look way off too.

[Terenos]

Last turn, Front 1 status:   5 apprentices. This turn front 1 reinforcements: 3 apprentices. This turn front 1 casualties, 6 apprentices.
This turns Front 1 status: 2 apprentices.
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We had troops still on each front, the reinforcements are added to that, battle occurs, casualties are tallied, remaining troops are left in the front report.

[helmacon]

Let me quote this again outside of the spoiler.

  League 1st Front
  0 skirmishers
  0 bowmen
  9 hoplites
  0 cavalry
  0 ballistae
  2 apprentices
  0 mages
  0 spearmen
  0 slaves
  0 aphrokema
918 manpower spent, 9 skirmishers, 16 hoplites, 6 cavalry, 0 ballistae, 3 apprentices, 189 spearmen, 843 slaves, 0 mages reinforced.
League 1st Front Deaths: [charge] 5 skirmishers, 5 hoplites, 1 cavalry, 1 apprentices, 70 spearmen, 421 slaves, [skirmish] 7 hoplites, 44 spearmen, 150 slaves, [melee] 11 skirmishers, 2 bowmen, 25 hoplites, 11 cavalry, 3 ballistae, 5 apprentices, 199 spearmen, 678 slaves 

[Terenos]

Yes, thats what is on the front right this second, after the battle. Those troops will be reinforced, then the next battle will occur, and whatevers left will be turn 306's Front Report.

So as my last ditch effort at explaning this.
Turn 305's report has 5 apprentices. Thats how many troops were there after the last battle. Then, reinforcements are added (Now up to 8 apprentices before the battle), the battle then occurs, leading to 6 apprentice casualties, and the turn 306 front report has Troops that Exist.
Thus 5+3-6=2. Thats why we have 2. You seem to have forgotten the reinforcements.

[Iituem]

Yeah, I think those numbers are okay.  Stats for units are after the battle (reinforcements come first, then the battle itself).

[helmacon]

Ok. It's very confusing that you have final numbers before the change in numbers.
I assumed that was initial numbers followed by the change as final numbers could be worked out that way. As is, there is no way to know initial numbers without digging up old reports.
It would make more sense to list initial-> change -> final. Or initial -> change.
Instead of final -> change with initial not listed.

[Nirur Torir]

Okay, it's now more important to keep magic guys alive.

How best to do that? We could revise them with horses for retreating, or combat training so they're better at using their robes like shields. We could dedicate some spearmen as bodyguards so they can get away more easily. We could make battlemages over two turns.

I'd like to try again at revising them cheaper. Lots of spearmen + magic weapons is a nice force multiplier.

Timber is still capped. Making a makeshift fireball spell for our ballistas wont' be effective this turn. We might just have to make burning hands.

3x mages can be had at 6.1% budget.

[Jilladilla]

We're doing an acceptable job at apprentice retention, we're just running out of ablative chaff troops.

Still, if we make a method to mitigate their spitters on our forces we should be good, revise spearmen to have some light bronze armor? We do have absurd amounts of ore to spare, over 1500 of it.

(Note: We seem to produce 360 resource per resource # now, a full 20% boost due to our government.)

[Madman198237]

No love for the lightning idea?

Anyway, I like the idea of mounting mages on horseback to increase dodging ability. In fact, mount ALL magic-users on horseback. Should have no cost (Besides the cost of giving someone a horse...whatever that's expressed as).

If we deploy lightning to drop all the spitters, we'll probably start taking territory, especially since it'd be useful against the workers as well.

[Jilladilla]

I think horses would be portrayed as Manpower, look at our cavalry, 3 manpower.

Everything else that uses more than one manpower requires multiple people to operate/crew/whatever.

And besides, we're cleaving through their worker chaff lines, we'll be getting into their soldier/hunter/spitter bits soon.

[Iituem]

After a suggested reformat from Kashyyk, from next turn onwards front reports will look a little more like this:

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League Front  {1737 manpower reinforced}
  0 aphrokema    ±0  [0 - 0]
  0 skirmishers    ±0  [20 - 20]
  0 bowmen    ±0  [0 - 0]
  22 hoplites    +4  [32 - 28]
  0 cavalry    -1  [14 - 15]
  1 ballistae    ±0  [0 - 0]
  7 apprentices    +2  [8 - 6]
  0 mages    ±0  [0 - 0]
  0 spearmen    -3  [402 - 405]
  0 slaves    ±0  [1541 - 1541]

1737 manpower spent, 20 skirmishers, 32 hoplites, 14 cavalry, 0 ballistae, 8 apprentices, 402 spearmen, 1541 slaves, 0 mages reinforced.
League Front Deaths: [charge] 5 skirmishers, 4 hoplites, 1 cavalry, 1 apprentices, 75 spearmen, 431 slaves, [skirmish] 6 hoplites, 45 spearmen, 152 slaves, [melee] 15 skirmishers, 18 hoplites, 14 cavalry, 5 apprentices, 285 spearmen, 958 slaves

[Jilladilla]

We probably should start up the Votebox huh?

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