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[Rockeater]

We need equipment for our infentry,Armory will supply us with it

[Wizgrot]

We need to revise something so our infantry can have a chance at winning or  put out more ships in the combat. Armory over invests dice.  I would be fine with it if it didn´t invest those two mor die for only a dice more at time and cost.

[NAV]

Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + save 4 dice: [4] NAV, Doomblade, Wizgrot, Happerry
Imperial Marine Armoury (3 dice, +1 time, +1 cost) +save 2 dice: [3] Kashyyk, Rockeater, Jerick
Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + AIM (1 dice) + save 3 dice [1]: helmacon

Tiebreaking to Medium Lift. Because we just did a production line design so we should do an actual tech advancement now. And because we need those revisions. And because we'll never get around to the medium lift if we never settle on tbe medium lift.

[Kashyyk]

We do not need revisions. We need equipment for our marines that doesn't constantly sap resources from our development. Once this PL is up, we will be able to maintain the war for free. We'll have so many more resources to spend on designs.

[Wizgrot]

Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + save 4 dice: [3] NAV, Doomblade,  Happerry
Imperial Marine Armoury (3 dice, +1 time, +1 cost) +save 2 dice: [3] Kashyyk, Rockeater, Jerick
Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + AIM (1 dice) + save 3 dice [1]: helmacon
Imperial Marine Armoury (3 dice) + save 4 dice [1]: Wizgrot

Kashykk bring out good points. While we would need the Medium Crystal, a production line for infantry equipment is a must. However, investing two dice extra in time and cost won´t do as much good. I would rather gamble a bit and try to use the revisions to get our navy and infantry to speed so we can recover Blackstone airspace or ground.

I believe that others, such as Banelord, has expressed concerns about too many dice going to the project.

I proppose to just spend three dice in the armory, and leave the rest for the revisions we need.

[Kashyyk]

Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + save 4 dice: [3] NAV, Doomblade,  Happerry
Imperial Marine Armoury (3 dice, +1 time, +1 cost) +save 2 dice: [3] Kashyyk, Rockeater, Jerick
Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + AIM (1 dice) + save 3 dice [1]: helmacon
Imperial Marine Armoury (3 dice) + save 4 dice [2]: Wizgrot, Kashyyk

Lets assume that the Armoury will cost half as much as the Medium Docks did. (It's smaller, but we might flub our dice rolls). It'll require 20 progress and 25 COWS per die. If we roll Cost and Time at advantage, we could bring that down much further. This is a big project that's already going to cost a lot. I don't want to risk it costing even more because we flubbed the roll.

I will however vote for the design without extra dice, just because I really believe we need it more than a medium lift right now.

[Rockeater]

Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + save 4 dice: [3] NAV, Doomblade,  Happerry
Imperial Marine Armoury (3 dice, +1 time, +1 cost) +save 2 dice: [3] Kashyyk, Rockeater, Jerick
Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + AIM (1 dice) + save 3 dice [1]: helmacon
Imperial Marine Armoury (3 dice) + save 4 dice [3]: Wizgrot, Kashyyk, Rockeater

[Happerry]

Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + save 4 dice: [2] NAV, Doomblade
Imperial Marine Armoury (3 dice, +1 time, +1 cost) +save 2 dice: [3] Kashyyk, Rockeater, Jerick
Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + AIM (1 dice) + save 3 dice [1]: helmacon
Imperial Marine Armoury (3 dice) + save 4 dice [4]: Wizgrot, Kashyyk, Rockeater, Happerry

I still want the medium lift crystal soon but we can do this for now. We need better infantry stuff too after all.

[NAV]

Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + save 4 dice: [2] NAV, Doomblade
Imperial Marine Armoury (3 dice, +1 time, +1 cost) +save 2 dice: [3] Kashyyk, Rockeater, Jerick
Medium lift crystal (3 dice) + AIM (1 dice) + save 3 dice [1]: helmacon
Imperial Marine Armoury (3 dice) + save 4 dice [5]: Wizgrot, Kashyyk, Rockeater, Happerry, NAV

Consensusing the 3 dice version.

[Draignean]

Imperial Marine Armory
[Time: 1  Progress: 1 Cost: 1]

After just saving and scrimping everything they had, neither the people nor the guilds are in the mood to be terrible cooperative. The engineers make their case, and the military enthusiastically supports them, but the approval of the project creates tremendous pushback and furor.

One hopes for a letter from the princess, but nothing comes. Perhaps she thinks getting into this fight would be a waste of her soft power, or perhaps she just wants to see what her engineers can do without her intercession.

Imperial Marine Armory: 1/24 | 10C+15O+15W | Rushed 0 Times | Nothing Invested

Prototype
[Efficacy: 3 Cost: 6 Bugs: 4]
After the initial fiscal issues, the engineers put everything they have into making as economically painless as possible (once the infrastructure has been built and funding secured), though that does mean they have to cut production goals slightly, and are forced to make certain concessions and promises on what can and cannot be produced at the facilities. No objects of significant scale, such as mobile covers or cannons, no ship hulls, and every assigned 'production pattern' has to carry a certain guaranteed amount of labor to make it economical.

The final working iteration, grudgingly approved by the guilds, is a patchwork of compromises- but not an altogether ineffective one.

Imperial Marine Armory: A production line for marine equipment. ONLY produces items that are 'small', i.e, do not have special TU requirements and can be carried on individual marines. Cannot produce naval equipment. Every pattern must require at least 100 points of production per turn, and must include three different items.
1200 Base points of production cap
150 Base points of production per turn


Spire Kasgyre's Production stands at
12(+12)/y Crystal, 24/125 Banked
12(+2)/y Ore, 15/95 banked
17/y Wood, 17/95 banked
10/y Silk, 10/55 banked

It is now the revision phase. You have 4 dice to spend.

Spoiler: Imperial Topaz (click to show/hide)

1x Topaz Grenades
2x VS Topaz Lift Crystals
1x Topaz Vanguard

Spoiler: Projects (click to show/hide)

Viper Production Line: 1/35 | 7C + 5O + 5W + 2S, +15 From any combination of any resource | Rushed 0 Times | Nothing Invested
Vertical Envelopment 2/10 | 3 from each of COWS + 4 from Any combination of COWS | Rushed 0 times | Nothing Invested
AIM (Special Project) 16/27 | - | Rushed 0 times | Nothing Invested
Imperial Marine Armory: 1/24 | 10C+15O+15W | Rushed 0 Times | Nothing Invested

Spoiler: Map (click to show/hide)

The Calm: The calm is a region of the aerosphere with almost no wind beyond fleeting turbulence, and absolutely no aetheric currents. It's frigidly cold, and filled with fine red 'snow' that barely moves. Traversing it with a conventional vessel is impossible due to the lack of energy to fuel the lift and trim crystals.
The Everstorm: As the name suggests, the everstorm is a region of the aerosphere dominated by an enormous and eternal thunderstorm. It's a chaotic region of raging winds and surging aetheric energy that manifests in terrible bursts of prismatic flame. No conventional vessel could hope to survive the nightmarish storm conditions.


Kasgyre Territory
Blackstone
Marine Presence: K 2/14 |  W ?/14
Territory: 2/4 | 2/4
---> Squad A:  1/4 Tpz. Pistols | 1/4 Pistols
---> Squad B:  1/4 Tpz. Pistols | 1/4 Pistols
---> Red Shirt 1: - [25%]
---> Red Shirt 2: -
---> Red Shirt 3: -
Resources: 1C, 5O, 2W, 0S
Conditions: Rocky, large caverns, very dark

The Hive
Marine Presence: K 0/10 |  W 0/10
Territory: 4/4 | 0/4
Resources: 1+2C, 2O, 1W, 4S
Conditions: Spider Nursery, narrow and twisting tunnels
—> Hanging Gardens x2

Glowcove
Marine Presence: K 0/20 |  W 0/20
Territory: 4/4 | 0/4
Resources: 1C, 2O, 6W, 1S
Conditions: Verdant galleries, significant bio-luminescence


The Belt

Three Captains
Marine Presence: K 0/20 |  W ?/20
Territory: 0/4 | 4/4
Resources: 1C, 6O, 2W, 6S
Conditions: Kinetoluminescent Ores, Heavily Infested

Wrackspire
Marine Presence: K 0/12 |  W ?/12
Territory: 0/4 | ?/4
Resources: 3C, 4O, 4W, 2S
Conditions: Unstable Aetheric Phenomena, Broken Spire

Burned Mountain
Marine Presence: K 7/24 |  W ?/24
Territory: 4/4 | ?/4
--->Marine Squad Siegmeyer: 1/4 Tower Shields | 3/4 Aetheric Pistols | 1/4 Witch-Hunters | Aetheric Grenades (1 per squad)
--->Marine Squad Sieglinde: 1/4 Silk Vests | 3/4 Aetheric Pistols | 1/4 Witch-Hunters | Aetheric Grenades (1 per squad)
--->Marine Squad Siegward: 3/4 Aetheric Pistols | 1/4 Witch-Hunters | Aetheric Grenades (1 per squad)
--->Marine Squad Siegfried: 1/4 Aetheric Pistols | 1/4 Witch Hunters | 2/4 Cutlasses
--->Marine Squad Sieghard: 4/4 Cutlasses
--->Marine Squad Siegbald: 2/4 Cutlasses
--->Marine Squad Siegrun: / [25%]
Resources: 1C, 10O, 1W, 0S
Conditions: Inexplicably Molten Core, Hundreds of narrow tunnels and small galleries.

The Unfinished
Marine Presence: K 0/0 |  W 0/0
Territory: ?/4 | ?/4
Resources: 0C, 0O, 0W, 0S
Conditions: Destroyed.

Spoiler: Ships (click to show/hide)

RKNV Anguis II - Viper Class
Loadout
Bronzewood Hull: Medium Turret Mod
1 Communications Officer
2 Light Topaz Aether Cannons+ (Kettlegun) [2 front, 1 rear]
2 Light Aether Cannon+ (Kettlegun) [1 Front, 1 Rear]
1 Prototype Lance Cannon [Front]
1 Topaz Vanguard Cannon (Top Brz. Trim, Med Mount)
2 Sections Light Copper Armor
1 Medium Topaz Core Crystal 
1 Small Topaz Lift Crystal
2 Topaz Trim Webs, Brz. Reinforced.
8 Topaz Trim Crystals
6 reams of webbing
Location: Spire Kasgyre
Status: Shipshape

RKNV Viperidea - Viper Class
Loadout
1 Communications Officer
4 Light Aether Cannons+ (Kettlegun) [2 front, 2 rear]
1 Light Topaz Aether Cannoń+ (Kettlegun) [Front]
1 Topaz Lance Cannon [Front]
1 Topaz Vanguard Cannon (Top Brz. Trim-Turret, Med Mount)
Bronzewood Hull
2 Sections Light Copper Armor
1 Medium Topaz Core Crystal 
1 Small Topaz Lift Crystal
2 Topaz Trim Crystals
8 Topaz Trim Webs Bronzewood reinforced
6 reams of webbing
Location: Spire Kasgyre
Status: Shipshape

Natalies - Skyskiff Class (x5)
Loadout
2 Light Topaz Aether Cannons+ (Kettlegun)
1 Very Small Topaz Core Crystal
1 Very Small Topaz Lift Crystal
4 Topaz Trim Webs
2 reams of webbing
Location: Spire Kasgyre
Status: Shipshape

RKNV Jupiter - Battlebarge Class
Loadout
4 Light Aether Cannons+ (Kettlegun) [2 front, 2 rear]
Bronzewood Hull
Medium Topaz Core
1 Small Topaz Lift Crystal
12 Standard Trim Crystals
5 reams of webbing
Carrying: 0/12
Location: Spire Kasgyre
Status: Shipshape

Dionysus - Transport Class
Loadout
1 Small Topaz Core Crystal
1 Small Lift Crystal
2 Topaz Trim Crystals
1 ream of webbing
Carrying: 0/6
Location: Spire Kasgyre
Status: Shipshape

Ocker - Transport Class
Loadout
1 VS Topaz Core Crystal
1 S Lift Crystal
2 Topaz Trim Crystals
1 ream of webbing
Carrying: 0/6
Location:  Blackstone
Status: Shipshape

Xenocamalus - Viper Class
Loadout
Comms Officer
Bronzewood Hull, Medium Mount
6 Light Aether Cannons+ (Kettlegun) [4 front, 2 rear]
1 Vanguard Cannon [Medium Mount, forward]
1 Medium core
1 Small Lift
10 Trim Webs
6 Reams Webbing
2 Copper Plating (Forward)

Boidae - Viper Class
Loadout
Comms Officer
Bronzewood Hull, Medium Mount
6 Light Aether Cannons+ (Kettlegun) [4 front, 2 rear]
1 Vanguard Cannon [Medium Mount, forward]
1 Medium core
1 Small Lift
10 Trim Webs
6 Reams Webbing
2 Copper Plating (Forward)

Aniliidae - Viper Class
Loadout
Comms Officer
Bronzewood Hull, Medium Mount
6 Light Aether Cannons+ (Kettlegun) [4 front, 2 rear]
1 Vanguard Cannon [Medium Mount, forward]
1 Medium core
1 Small Lift
10 Trim Webs
6 Reams Webbing
2 Copper Plating (Forward)

Spoiler: Goods Stockpile (click to show/hide)

Topaz Med Core
Topaz Trim Webs x2
Trim Webs x8
Topaz trim crystals x4
Topaz vanguard x1
Kettleguns x10
Anguis Hull (Viper: 1x vanguard conversion, 10x web conversion)

Spoiler: Infantry (click to show/hide)

Marines x14

Current Technology

[NAV]

Improve manufacturing quality for the timer. Make it so it always explodes when you expect it to, not a second earlier or later.

Once that's done, lets add a small dial that lets you set the fuse length. It works by turning the little resistive gear used for timing. Set the fuse length to minimum for booby traps, so no one has time to take cover or be a hero and jump on the grenade. Set the fuse length to maximum for controlled demolitions, so you have enough time to set the grenade down then walk away calmly before it explodes. Set it somewhere in the middle for throwing and slinging.

Our military engineers have taken note of the recent effectiveness of our slings, and noticed that there is much room for improvement of both weapon and ammunition.

Our marines already have their grenade slings, which are great for throwing grenades, or throwing large rocks at short range.

We should also give them a longer sling with a smaller pouch, used to sling lead projectiles or smaller rocks at longer ranges. Along with this let's endeavour to make the lead shot standard issue, like the slings themselves are.

Along with that, let's give each marine a "kestros", a specialized sling that is capable of launching Witch-Hunter bolts, if you're in the same squad as a Witch-Hunter user and they're willing to share. It won't have the same power and accuracy as a Witch-Hunter, but it will be a considerable upgrade from rocks or lead shot.

The slings can be worn as belts, bandoliers, or headbands with little to no extra encumbrance, and the ammo can be kept in pouches.

We can make the basic slings a powerful and versatile weapon that our marines are proud to wield, not something they are forced to wield as a last resort.

Because no matter what we do, the majority of our marines will be forced to fight with just slings and grenades this turn. We should make them actually effective combatants with just slings. It would let us spend a lot less on infantry equipment in the near future and funnel more resources into the armoury.

[Kashyyk]

Resource Exchange
The Royal Armoury is not the only entity to own raw resources. There are bound to be businesses, organisations or even rich individuals with a surplus of resources that could see better use. By trading one resource for another (likely at a loss) we should be able to cover for any gaps in our funding.

Production Line Investments
By committing additional funds to our Production Lines, we should be able to secure reliable sources of income that will increase both the capacity and output of the Production Line in question.

[NAV]

Those both really sound like designs Kashyyk. I don't think we can introduce new mechanics into the game like that with just revisions.

[Kashyyk]

Draig all but confirmed they were possible as revisions.

[NAV]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Kashyyk - Today at 12:29 PM
@GM, if we wanted to double the capacity and output of our medium docks, would we have to do another design our could we pull it off with revisions?
Because 30 vipers at 6 per turn is impossible to ignore
Draignean - Today at 12:29 PM
Double it with revisions?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.
Anyway, let me put it this way, you might be able to revise a way to improve your medium docks significantly, maybe even to double. However, those improvements would cost more than just dice.
Kashyyk - Today at 12:30 PM
What about that design? Would it be identical, or easier because we're just expending what's already there?
Draignean - Today at 12:31 PM
It's going to cost resources, no matter how you slice it.
Kashyyk - Today at 12:32 PM
I figured
Draignean - Today at 12:32 PM
Whether you revise a method of spending them, or you do a design, that's up to you.
Doubling is ambitious.
SpiderTroll187 - Today at 12:32 PM
four dive revision go
*dice
I actually do support such a thing.
Very seriously.
So, Palisades and grenade revisions this turn. Medium docks next.
Kashyyk - Today at 12:34 PM
Whose up for a revision to allow us to invest resources in PLs to permanently increase capacity?

This is everything relevant Draignean said that I could find, and it does not convince me one bit because of how vague it is. Pretty sure he was talking about sacrificing permanent resource per turn to improve the docks, which I am completely unwilling to do.