Alright, it's out.
Probably not nearly as well thought out as it should be.
But, you know, it wasn't supposed to exist at all and I hate phone posting.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Holy shit those project rolls O.O
Anyway, how much crystal does each hanging garden produce?
NAV - 09/18/2017
It says 1 per turn, up to 5 per spire
Draignean - 09/18/2017
Or up to the original max crystal production.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Okay, so basically we've managed to get about 50-100% increases in crystal yields?
And with the production line, how many medium core crystals could we manufacture with it?
Draignean - 09/18/2017
Slightly better, if you outfit everything.
And it's now irrelevant!
Well, actually, not the former, just the latter question.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Are we able to request certain items?
Draignean - 09/18/2017
Nope.
With a 2 on bugs, I don't even feel bad at all about saying that.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Are we able to get core/lift crystals out of it?
Draignean - 09/18/2017
Yes.
Helmacon - 09/18/2017
Hehe. Good things
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Are we able to revision in her taking suggestions?
Draignean - 09/18/2017
You might get cores and lifts, you might get trims, you could get gauntlets.
I wonder how you'd flavor that...
Taricus - 09/18/2017
It would involve a lot of grovelling
NAV - 09/18/2017
Vanguard or kettlegun option? Trim web or trim crystal?
Taricus - 09/18/2017
And would we be able to perhaps spread the method of the construction of such crystals around?
NAV - 09/18/2017
Signal flasher? It uses crystal
Draignean - 09/18/2017
The signal flasher is really a training thing, so you can rest assured she won't give you three signal flashers as part of your yearly options.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
How likely would it be to get about 6 med core crystals from her?
Draignean - 09/18/2017
Laughable.
So, each year, I roll 2d6.
Then I roll that many times on a table of the things that involve a significant amount of crystal.
So an example four items for a year might have a squad's worth of gauntlets, 1 cannon, a pair of trims, and a VS lift crystal.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Aah, gotcha.
Draignean - 09/18/2017
So you've kinda got to weight how much you actually need what she's producing against the likelihood she'll ever produce it again.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Now, would it be possible for us to revise said list at all?
Draignean - 09/18/2017
That'd likely be how, mechanically, 'suggestions' would work.
Weighting the list.
NAV - 09/18/2017
Someone should copy this to the thread
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Right, if we can weigh that list down to trim webs, med core crystals and either kettleguns/lift crystals we can get a particularly powerful navy back up in no time.
Draignean - 09/18/2017
It'd help. I really, really, really, hate posting from my phone.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Now, I have to ask but if we solved the issue of the incorrectly grown crystals, how much more income would we get as a result?
Draignean - 09/18/2017
I know you have to I ask, and I know you know I'm not going to answer that question.(edited)
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Cheeky little git
Hmm...
Actually, while the crystals are effectively double in power, does that mean, in the case of kettleguns, that it works without generating any extra heat as a result?
Draignean - 09/18/2017
I should add a note about that.. Cannons will not work, as written. The instant heat output would melt the inner barrel layer on the first shot.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Well... Fuck it probably a good thing I asked before we melted our own faces off.
Grenades?
Draignean - 09/18/2017
Nah, I would have caught that when I actually rolled one and went: Huh, that can't work...
Grenades are fine.
Bigger booms.
I mean, the grenade doesn't need to survive after it pops the weasel.
Jerick - 09/18/2017
ok, just wow those rolls :grinning: those are some insane dice
Draignean - 09/18/2017
You know, the worm will turn one of these days.
And then you'll have to deal with 1,1,1.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Is that what Wreth got this turn?
Draignean - 09/18/2017
I don't roll and tell.
NAV - 09/18/2017
So what tech would actually work and what would instantly melt?
And I'm guessing the princess's crystals for any ship tech would use double power from the core crystal...
Taricus - 09/18/2017
So we need to ensure it gets power from a double-strength core crystal.
Helmacon - 09/18/2017
But a Thaddeus class core...
Wew lad
Taricus - 09/18/2017
That being said a royal viper would be fucking terrifying for Wreth to deal with. Three? They're fucked
Wait we have to buy what the princess produces? WEAK
Draignean - 09/18/2017
She needs materials too, brah.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
I thought she grew her own :V
Draignean - 09/18/2017
She does, but she still needs stuff.
You're asking a girl to part with sparklies.
Don't question too much.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
questions it via revision :V(edited)
Draignean - 09/18/2017
That's fair.
NAV - 09/18/2017
Taricus we still buy what the princess offers for the same price as a normal one. Thats a really good deal. Don't say weak.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
How are we gonna get fleets of royal vipers then?
Helmacon - 09/18/2017
Fewer, better vipers.
Elites
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Why not just drown them in waves of better vipers?
NAV - 09/18/2017
Not fewer vipers. Some of them will just be better.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Unless we apply the princess' trade secrets and basically get topaz crystals for our regular production.
Also, thank you for killing the catgirl NAV, since 13 crystal a turn is gonna really make them feel it.
Draignean - 09/18/2017
Who is killing catgirls? :frowning: This displeases the DM.
Taricus - 09/18/2017
Economics discussion/breaking of economics = Killing catgirls
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 1:46 AM
Hey @BBBence1111 how do you like our new crystal income?
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 1:47 AM
How much do we have?
I don't know offhand, not before caffeine kicks in
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 1:48 AM
Right now, another +10
With another +15 potential.
Draignean - Last Tuesday at 1:49 AM
Technically, you're a turn and one die away from a +10.
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 1:50 AM
Still
Helmacon - Last Tuesday at 1:50 AM
is good
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 1:50 AM
Awesome
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 1:50 AM
Really good.
Not to mention we can buy (Not get, buy) double-strength crystal stuff from the princess.
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 1:51 AM
That's a thing we can build in each spire, correct?
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 1:51 AM
Yep.
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 1:52 AM
Build shit purely out of crystals now
Helmacon - Last Tuesday at 1:52 AM
ok, but the double strength crystal is the real mvp here.
cause seriously
its amber colored
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 1:53 AM
So, revisit my trim cannon?
It'd be hilarious with double strength trims
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 1:54 AM
Well, the only problem is that the double stength stuff... it's random.
And we have to pay for it still.
Helmacon - Last Tuesday at 1:55 AM
it's basically at 50% discount considering the value of it
but a double strength crystal is awesome
our med cores can basically function as large cores now
our small or vs cores would be super good too.
anything with double strength is super useful, and better than 2 of the regular strength stuff
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 1:57 AM
Apart from cannons since those tend to blow up.(edited)
Helmacon - Last Tuesday at 1:58 AM
well, yea. Apart from cannons
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 1:58 AM
Grenades still good though, as those are even more lethal.
Helmacon - Last Tuesday at 1:58 AM
also, gauntlets?
not sure if those work or not
and amber trim webs. :heart:
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 2:06 AM
We really want a royal viper
Helmacon - Last Tuesday at 2:06 AM
oh god I want a royal viper
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 2:06 AM
With nothing but amber crystals on it
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 2:06 AM
We all do
Helmacon - Last Tuesday at 2:07 AM
oh god, if we can get working amber cannons... can you imagine the opening barrage?
or... amber vanguards...
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 2:07 AM
Amber vanguards: Say goodbye to Wreth's vessels.
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 2:08 AM
I still want to make my trim cannon
It was already strong
Since it only had to move small projectiles, but had what we use to move ships
Now, double that
It already ignores shrouds
Now it'd go through a silly amount of armor
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 3:31 PM
@everyone please vote for revisions.
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 3:32 PM
What are our options? Tldr?
I don't have wifi and it's a pain to check on mobile
@Taricus
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 3:34 PM
Give me a moment
Jerick - Last Tuesday at 3:34 PM
Theres actualy a number of them for a change
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 3:37 PM
Widespread Royal Topaz (Making ALL our crystals topaz, meaning everything we make is double strength)
For the Cause (Making the princess give us topaz stuff for free)
Topaz Kettleguns (Because Topaz isn't usable for cannons at this very moment)
Co-ordinated fire (Which is a good thing, just not the right time for what with the lack of fleet to use it)
Trim Powered Turret rotation
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 3:38 PM
Widespread is not good, until we make our kettleguns work with it(edited)
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 3:39 PM
Well, not all, but everything applicable.
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 3:39 PM
Lot better
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 3:39 PM
And is essentially a prerequisite for topaz guns because we kinda need a stable production of them first.
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 3:40 PM
Coordinated fire needs a fleet, I agree
Jerick - Last Tuesday at 3:40 PM
I question how well "for the cause" will go down with the princess... that seems like something she would disagree with
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 3:40 PM
Well, better to try than not to
Jerick - Last Tuesday at 3:41 PM
Here's the thing I've suggested coordinated fire or a varient of it several times and each time it got voted down leading us to go into battle without it.
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 3:41 PM
Wouldn't making Amber crystals widespread make that part redundant?
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 3:41 PM
And 2d6 free crystal components a turn? That would be AMAZING if we even just get one medium core from it.
Jerick - Last Tuesday at 3:41 PM
I'd rather just finaly get it done
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 3:42 PM
Okay, point
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 3:42 PM
Suggest it when we actually have a fleet to fight the enemy with and I'll vote for it. Not before.
Jerick - Last Tuesday at 3:42 PM
Yes it would hence why I don't think it would be that easy
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 3:42 PM
Of course it isn't. Hence the begging and pleading in that suggestion
Helmacon - Last Tuesday at 3:47 PM
The current situation favours fewer more powerful guns. All things being weighted equal, we have a better chance of fully fitting a ship with Amber vanguard than Amber kettle guns. Less total items we have to have access to.
Taricus - Last Tuesday at 3:48 PM
Well, the thing is we have to work our guns into using topaz crystals without exploding first
And getting topaz guns/crystal cores would be a much needed upgrade to our skiffs.
NAV - Last Tuesday at 4:03 PM
I think we'd need to roll more 8s to get the princess's creations for free or to get all our crystals that quality
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 4:04 PM
That sounds difficult, considering we roll on d6s
NAV - Last Tuesday at 4:04 PM
Better start drawing more flags
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 4:05 PM
Draig we want an event!
NAV - Last Tuesday at 4:06 PM
Having the better flag might just win us the war
Jerick - Last Tuesday at 4:06 PM
:grinning:
Draignean - Last Tuesday at 5:46 PM
Kasgyre, the only empire where someone says: 'Well, we'll need an eight for that...' is met with serious planning on the assumption that it can be done, not raucous laughter.
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 5:47 PM
There is no such thing as impossible
Only very, very difficult
NAV - Last Tuesday at 6:04 PM
New plan: hoard event bonuses. Roll 10, 10, 10 on a crystal nuke. Nuke Wreth.
Jerick - Last Tuesday at 6:05 PM
Or build that flying spire we joked about :smiley:
BBBence1111 - Last Tuesday at 6:06 PM
We never joked about that
It's called planning
NAV - Last Tuesday at 6:28 PM
Hmm. Hanging crystal gardens take crystal to build. I wonder if the Princess can make hanging topaz crystal gardens, which are twice as effective?
Draignean - Last Tuesday at 6:28 PM
Good question, no.
The crystals for the hanging gardens are purely to keep them aloft.
And potentially for pumps on the higher tier gardens.
Helmacon - Last Tuesday at 9:07 PM
Heh, you know what would have been cool for the bug role? She demands seemingly random equipment to make her stuff every once in a while. Like, one day she needs a ton of wood, another day she inexplicably needs a unit of marines. Nobody knows why she needs these things, but her crystals are so good that nobody asks.
Draignean - Last Tuesday at 9:08 PM
Who knows, could be a thing if you want a way to specifically ask for something.
BBBence1111 - Last Wednesday at 2:02 AM
"I want a full unit of marines for this single lift crystal. Don't worry, you'll neve see them again"
Helmacon - Last Wednesday at 2:45 AM
4 comms officers for a squad's worth of gauntlets and this weird looking lamp.
Draignean - Last Wednesday at 10:08 AM
DEALS DEALS DEALS