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Author Topic: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr  (Read 150260 times)

Kashyyk

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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2520 on: August 04, 2018, 09:49:44 am »

Quote from: Revision Votes (1 die)
() Medium Lift Vat Segregation:
() Schola Communicae
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2521 on: August 04, 2018, 09:54:23 am »

Quote from: Revision Votes (1 die)
() Medium Lift Vat Segregation:
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(1) Kettlegun Water Pumps : Kashyyk
We needed to do this too long ago
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2522 on: August 04, 2018, 10:12:03 am »


Quote from: Revision Votes (1 die)
(1) Medium Lift Vat Segregation: helmacon
(1) Schola Communicae: Rockeater
(1) Kettlegun Water Pumps : Kashyyk
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2523 on: August 04, 2018, 10:13:21 am »

Quote from: Revision Votes (1 die)
(2) Medium Lift Vat Segregation: helmacon, Twinwolf
(1) Schola Communicae: Rockeater
(1) Kettlegun Water Pumps : Kashyyk
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2524 on: August 04, 2018, 10:16:00 am »

The medium lift revision will do nothing for us until we finish the project. Both the Kettlegun revision and the Schola Communicae will be effective immediately.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2525 on: August 04, 2018, 10:22:19 am »

Quote from: Revision Votes (1 die)
(2) Medium Lift Vat Segregation: helmacon, Twinwolf
(2) Schola Communicae: Rockeater, NAV
(1) Kettlegun Water Pumps : Kashyyk
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2526 on: August 04, 2018, 10:22:44 am »

We are just 1 or 2 dice away from getting the lift
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2527 on: August 04, 2018, 10:24:48 am »

We are just 1 or 2 dice away from getting the lift
And we can definitely revise it the same turn we put those dice in. Probably next turn.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2528 on: August 04, 2018, 10:26:01 am »

Exactly. Doing it now delays the bonus to when the project is completed. Revising it the same turn we complete it has the same effect but also allows us to use this revision for something that gives immediate effect.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2529 on: August 04, 2018, 10:52:32 am »

There is another issue we need to address this phase. The skiff production line. We should stop producing Natalies and switch back to baseline skiffs. Why? Several reasons.

With the number of Vipers to the number of Natalies we produce (3 to 1), most or all of our Natalies will be in a scouting role, scouting for groups of Vipers. Actual combat performance does not matter in this scouting role, a baseline skiff is just as effective at scouting as a Natalie (as evidenced by the long and very effective service of One-Eyed Will).

Our Natalies are not effective or needed against Wreth skiffs anymore, they serve no purpose as a primary combat vessel. We produce Natalies at half the rate they produce their skiffs so ours cannot compete evenly with Wreth's. We produce enough Vipers with good enough turrets that they don't need skiff support anymore.

It is stupid to waste the majority or our royal topaz production on a ship that doesn't serve a primary combat role anymore and isn't effective against their ships. If we stop producing Natalies we can afford to make a lot more topaz equipment for vipers and marine squads, and are much more likely to get the really good stuff like topaz lance cannons.

In the future, when we have better scouting and communication equipment we can make a dedicated scouting skiff pattern. Until then we should switch to the baseline skiff pattern.
Switch from 2d4-2 (average 3) topaz items to 2d6+2d4+1 (average 13) items.

The switch needs to happen now because we roll for topaz during the revision phase.

Quote from: Revision Votes (1 die)
(2) Medium Lift Vat Segregation: helmacon, Twinwolf
(2) Schola Communicae: Rockeater, NAV
(1) Kettlegun Water Pumps : Kashyyk

(1) Stop producing 1 Natalie and 2d4-2 Topaz per turn. Start producing 2 baseline skiffs and 2d6+1d4+1 Topaz per turn: NAV
(0) Keep producing Natalies:
« Last Edit: August 04, 2018, 10:57:58 am by NAV »
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2530 on: August 04, 2018, 10:57:03 am »

In all the excitement I forgot about this.

When we have spare revision dice I would like to split our Small PL to produce transports as well. We don't need 10 scouts after all.

Quote from: Revision Votes (1 die)
(2) Medium Lift Vat Segregation: helmacon, Twinwolf
(2) Schola Communicae: Rockeater, NAV
(1) Kettlegun Water Pumps : Kashyyk

(2) Stop producing 1 Natalie and 2d4-2 Topaz per turn. Start producing 2 baseline skiffs and 2d6+1d4+1 Topaz per turn: NAV, Kashyyk
(0) Keep producing Natalies:
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2531 on: August 04, 2018, 11:07:16 am »

I thought that our Natalies still equal to their skiffs in 1 on 1 fight but lost because of massive outnumbering, but I still agree, Royal Vipers here we go (at least my hope)
Quote from: Revision Votes (1 die)
(2) Medium Lift Vat Segregation: helmacon, Twinwolf
(2) Schola Communicae: Rockeater, NAV
(1) Kettlegun Water Pumps : Kashyyk

(3) Stop producing 1 Natalie and 2d4-2 Topaz per turn. Start producing 2 baseline skiffs and 2d6+1d4+1 Topaz per turn: NAV, Kashyyk, Rockeater
(0) Keep producing Natalies:
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2532 on: August 04, 2018, 11:16:45 am »

That's a good argument for producing normal skiffs.

Quote from: Revision Votes (1 die)
(2) Medium Lift Vat Segregation: helmacon, Twinwolf
(2) Schola Communicae: Rockeater, NAV
(1) Kettlegun Water Pumps : Kashyyk

(4) Stop producing 1 Natalie and 2d4-2 Topaz per turn. Start producing 2 baseline skiffs and 2d6+1d4+1 Topaz per turn: NAV, Kashyyk, Rockeater, Twinwolf
(0) Keep producing Natalies:
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2533 on: August 04, 2018, 11:27:39 am »

Quote from: Revision Votes (1 die)
(3) Medium Lift Vat Segregation: helmacon, Twinwolf, Jerick
(2) Schola Communicae: Rockeater, NAV
(1) Kettlegun Water Pumps : Kashyyk

(5) Stop producing 1 Natalie and 2d4-2 Topaz per turn. Start producing 2 baseline skiffs and 2d6+1d4+1 Topaz per turn: NAV, Kashyyk, Rockeater, Twinwolf, Jerick
(0) Keep producing Natalies:
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires | Spire Kasgyr
« Reply #2534 on: August 04, 2018, 11:58:29 am »

(5) Stop producing 1 Natalie and 2d4-2 Topaz per turn. Start producing 2 baseline skiffs and 2d6+1d4+1 Topaz per turn: NAV, Kashyyk, Rockeater, Twinwolf, Jerick

Just to make sure you're aware, this action will scuttle the two Natalies at Blackstone and convert the two at Kasgyre back to vanilla.
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