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[Tack]

Spoiler: Why We Fight (click to show/hide)

MUDDERLAN.

[Jerick]

Well if that's your war justification then allow me to post mine 

Spoiler: why Kasgyr fights (click to show/hide)

My dear friends, loyal subjects of Kasgyr these last few years have been trying. We've been attacked by the treacherous Wrethians who struck unprovoked against our defenseless demi spires. We've had to rebuild and restructure our military and have fought many valiant battles against the enemy. We've had to see many young and brave soldiers of Kasgyr die. So when I hear people asking why we need to fight I understand. When I hear people call for peace my heart calls out 'let our ships come home' in response, but my mind knows better.

Wreth is a strange place where every action needs to be reported meticulously and recorded in paperwork. Every artistic work must have the materials, design and artistic intent carefully described and approved before the artist can even begin. It is a place where culture and the human soul cannot survive. It is an utterly oppressive society whose inhabitants only endure it because they have never experienced an alternative. Will we abandon our duty to our misguided brothers? Shall we leave them in ignorant suffering? To save them we must fight.

Some will question if we can win foremost of those are the despicable Wreth bureaucrats oppressing their own people. Those same bureaucrats will claim we are insane spider worshippers proving their ignorance. Spiders feature so much and so prominently in our art because we respect their power. We understand just how truly dangerous they are and so we remember how we defeated them! Spiders are our reminder that we are the ever-victorious Spire Kasgyr! We have suffered through impossible odds and prevailed! The question is not if we can win but what can stop us! We must show them what we are. To show them we must fight.

The bureaucrats will say they offered us peace but what they demanded was we renounce our Queen and send her to Wreth for...'testing'. They also demanded we form a republic with them, a process that would undoubtedly infect us with that oppressive Wrethian bureaucracy. What they ask is nothing short of surrender and submission! It is an insult to those that have died! Those they have killed! They rejected peace and instead turned to insults and provocations. To have peace we must fight.

They have made it clear that they will send their ships to attack us until we die, submit or triumph. They seek to murder or dethrone our Queen, strangle our artist's creativity with their bureaucracy, enslave our people to unhinged amounts of paperwork and destroy all art depicting spiders, all those reminders of who are. They will strike at our demi spires again. They will murder the innocent again. Unless we can stop them. To protect ourselves we must fight.

My heart sings with all those who call for peace but my mind nows the truth: we must fight! We must fight for our culture! We must fight to stop them burning down everthing we built! We must fight to defend each other! We must fight to save them from themselves! We must fight.

We will fight! We will tear them from the skies! We will crush them in any spire in which they skulk!

We will win!

(Wrethian demand for queen dethroning and testing happened on discord for anyone wondering)

[Tack]

That's a great piece, but it says more about us than about you
We want some culture, damn it!

Still, it warrants something less silly from us.

Spoiler: Why Wreth Fights (click to show/hide)

Why we fight
The good citizens of the Wrethian Republic have been asking questions, and they are good questions. Good, hard questions cut clamour, and demand a good answer, and the Tribunal will not be found wanting. So we have made the necessary inquiries, filed the necessary paperwork. Asked those same hard questions on behalf of the people we serve. Why do we fight? The spires are repaired. The people are once again inhabiting their former homes, and dedicating their efforts to the grand purposes of yesteryear.

Do we fight for pride?
Our illustrious homeland was built by the people's hands, and continues to rise with every stone laid, every plank shaped, and every rock, cut. "Building today for the future tomorrow" is the creed of Wreth, and to expand and improve our illustrious paradise is as deep and unremitting within our blood as great strength is to our Leonines. Every true Wrethian is born to that gem of pure community pride, grown within the vatteries of our souls, and the energy it provides is unceasing, driving us ever onward and upward to make Wreth an even greater Utopia.

But are we building? Do we expand, do we lay new bricks, cut new planks, and help our friends and neighbours advance as we do?
Hard questions demand hard answers, and the answer is We Do Not.
Spire Kasgyr thinks to curb our expansion. Spire Kasgyr might be content rebuilding what was taken, and calling it progress. It Is Not Progress. It is NOT Wreth. It is the healing of an injured leg.
Unless that leg is made stronger, and better than before, it will simply be injured again.
We are not that careless. We are not that weak of will, and we will have the FREEDOM to be born with Wrethian Greatness forged within our souls, even if we must fight for our right to do so.

Do we fight for Peace?
We have always been a peaceful people. Since the time Wreth first arose from the ashes of the tyrants before, we have always sought the best outcome to all situations. Votes, not Violence. Debate, not Despotism. We are an empire forged from the will of its people, with the peace of the people our only goal. Spire Kasgyr could be humans like us, no? Could we not come to peace, and make bonds as a community, just as Wreth has inside itself?

Why then, were our spires set ablaze? Why were houses toppled and families sundered? Why are men being sent to die when we would fight for peace?
Hard questions demand hard answers, and the answer is Wreth Has Tried!
We are not the Kasgyr Savage, who would kill a mother's children for the sheer joy. We entreated, we debated, we negotiated from positions of strength and of weakness. We attempted to show the Kasgyrites of our paradise, and invited them to form a community with is.
All We wanted was peace; and room for our empire to grow. But Spire Kasgyre refused us. Retaliated to an open hand with a closed fist. Retaliated to gifts with fire and sword.
Our ambassadors would not even be seen personally by their despot, so deep is the Kasgyr inclination to war and evil.
We have been fooled once. We have been fooled twice. We Cannot Be Fooled Again.
Kasgyr has nothing in their hearts but malice and hatred. Only by force can they be made to see what we can build. Only by removing their tyrant can we introduce them to free debate and the making of chartered laws.
Our only option for peace is to swiftly bring Spire Kasgyre into the fold.
Our only option for peace is War.

Do we fight for Survival?
The Wrethian Republic is not an old country. Whilst our people toil and our children learn, still our elders remember the Time of Tyrants, and in hushed whispers by glowlight tell stories of injustice and oppression, of an empire made to crush the people beneath. Stories too remorseless, too heartbreaking to be enrolled in the Official Histories.
When the Grand Revolution began, the Elders will tell, there was no room for second thoughts, no room to back out. When the Republic was formed, our fight was not for freedom, or peace, but simply to live.
Our fights saw only victories because losses would have meant our end. We overwhelmed the Elite Guard with the lives of carpenters and stonemasons because failure to fight together would mean persecution and death alone.
Tyrants will never accept the will of the people. They exist solely to feed from the labours of their citizens like parasites atop a throne of coin and bones.

Will Spire Kasgyre allow our Republic to live? Will the Tyrants allow their citizens to be "tainted" with the truth of our paradise?
Hard questions demand hard answers, and the answer is They Cannot!
Our very way of life is anathema to the Tyrant.
Position by Merit instead of Nepotism? Unthinkable.
Appointment by popular vote? Laughable.
A paper-trail covering half a century of governmental accountability? Impossible.
Spire Kasgyr and their Tyrant will be doing their utmost to wipe us from the face of the earth. Not a single Elder can be allowed to live, to whisper to children of the time before, lest their Citizens hear the Truth. Every babe will be butchered. Every soldier slain, every citizen burned in their homes.
This is not a war of Conquest by Kasgyre, this is a war of annihilation. To lose will be to die, to have our histories purged and our arts destroyed. To lose will have our Spire filled with Tyrants and the citizens of Tyrants.
Just like before, failure cannot be an option.
We must band together and overwhelm the Guard, or die by the habble in pogroms and cullings until the last Wrethian is no more.

Why do we fight? Why Do We Fight?
We fight to save the world
Only recently have we discovered the sinister Kasgyrite agenda! Only since this war reignited have we understood the truth of what they are!
Whilst we fight to reclaim our birthright from the Dwellers Below, the Kasgyrites invite them into their Spire!
Truly, entire FLOORS are filled with the evil and poisonous corruption that is the Silkweaver menace.
There has even been reports that their Tyrant is to Silkweavers as Leonines are to Cats, no graceful, powerful warriorborn of noble bearing, but a Matriarch of fanged maw and grotesque body, disjointed bones and clustered eyes.
Yet their despot means to spread that corruption further!
THIS IS THE THREAT KASGYRE REPRESENTS.
Not only to us, our citizens or our way of life, but to ALL OF HUMANITY!
It is impossible to imagine what awful science has yielded such a thing, but know this: for that Matriarch to take a mate; fill with seed as she unhinges her jaw to eat them, and spawn another tainted offspring, it is another Nail in The Coffin of Mankind.

To the Kasgyre who would help the Surface take the Sky, will we bow?
To the Kasgyre who would impose the will of an Arachnine Despot, will we sway?
To the Kasgyre who wishes to wipe Man from the face of the planet, will we tarry?

HARD ANSWERS DEMAND HARD QUESTIONS, WRETHIANS.
AND THE QUESTION IS
WHY DO YOU FIGHT?

(Approval granted in triplicate)

[Taricus]

You're Wreth, You don't have culture.

[Tack]

Of course we have culture. The Bureau of Culture ensures it.

[Jilladilla]

And The Department of Maintenance ensures that the results of our culture will last for future generations to witness.

[NUKE9.13]

Spoiler: Some nonsense (click to show/hide)

Wreth shall be triumphant
For regulations say it must
Our forms are all compliant
The navy has our trust

Wreth shall win the day
Our strength's beyond compare
We will make Kasgyr pay
Our accountants say it's fair

Let no citizen idly sit
Whilst paperwork lies undone
Now every man who's fighting fit
Pick up your sword and gun

The wrath of Wreth will clean this sky
Through which the hallowed angels fly
Their song must mean our victory's nigh
So raise now quick the banners high

We'll sign the dockets with their blood
We'll requisition doom upon them
We'll triplicate our victory
Documenta verum est!

[milo christiansen]

Join the Marines!

Cut out the Kancyre!

[Kashyyk]

Royal Marines Commandos: Be the Best. Not the Wreths

[somemildmanneredidiot]

It's too late but might as well.

Spoiler: A Statement from the Paragon Ascendant Theocratic Hierarchy (click to show/hide)

The room is filled with representatives of all of the various Guilds of Kasgyr who fall silent as a man walks up the stage and motions for their attention.

"Good day Representatives. I am Contri Hubble, a representative of K.I.C.K.A.S.S.* from the department T.A.K.E.N.A.M.E.S.** and I am here to talk about the war with Spire Wreth."

The representatives begin shouting out questions before Contri quiets them all again.

"I will answer your questions after I have said my piece." He clears his throat before continuing. "This war started when Spire Wreth invaded our skies, attacked our people, and murdered our families. We have rebuilt since then and have increased our military presence along our borders to prevent further attacks like this, so there are those asking if we should sign a White Peace, if we should leave things as they are and return to a state of harmony with our neighbor, Spire Wreth."

"What in the Name of The Lord Arc are you thinking?"

"Among The Lord Arc's lessons are two that are most dear to us in times like these, Death To Your Enemies and Vengeance For The Beloved Dead. We do not let our dead be forgotten and left to rot at the hands of those who wrong us, and we do not let our enemies think they can get away with harming us. We crush them utterly as an example for those who come next so that we need not wreck vengeance upon them as well, for they will know the price to be paid for such hubris."

"You ask why we fight and why we continue to wage war? We fight for a future that knows true peace. We wage war to safeguard our people until that time has come. We spend our lives now in the memory and glory of those who we have lost to preserve the lives of those yet to come."

"The Wreth started this war and By Arc, We. Will. End. It. And then never again will Kasgyr blood need be spilt to protect our own."

*Kasgyrian Initial Coordination and Keen Assessement of Situations Society
**Therioretical and Audacious Kasgyrite Etheric and Nonconformist ArMament Engineering Schematics

Not my best work, but it'll do.

[Tack]

Needs more spider queen.

[Draignean]

So, production lines, kind of a black box, right? Filled with all sorts of soft matter calculations that make things painful to try and extrapolate. However, due to recent requests, I'm going to provide with a couple tricks to ballpark how much of an effect a change in a design will have. It's by no means an exact science, but it should at least let you get you an idea.

Now, for the first part, we need to work out the relative values of each resource. This is what allows us to eyeball an exchange rate between various resources, and is dependent on yearly production.

For the purposes of the examples, we're going to be using your theoretical production with all 'home' spires producing resources. This gives,

13/y Crystal
17/y Ore
19/y Wood
10/y Silk

With a total of 59/y. To get the relative value of a resource, divide by the individual value by the sum and take the reciprocal. So the above resources convert to:

1/(13/59) = 4.53  Crystal 
1/(17/59) = 3.47 Ore
1/(19/59) = 3.10 Wood
1/(10/59) = 5.9 Silk

These numbers have no intrinsic relevance, but can be used to score the relative expense of a design. So, for instance, lets take the basic skyskiff. One Skyskiff on the baseline production pattern costs,

9 crystal = (9*4.53) = 40.77
6 ore = (6*3.47) = 20.82
5 wood =  (5*3.10) = 15.5
4 silk =  (4*5.9) = 23.6
Sum =  100.69

So, the base production plan has about 200 units of early production, and about 1000 units of overall production. With this calculation firmly in hand (It looks mostly right, I haven't actually double checked the numbers) we can start to make extrapolations. For instance, what would happen if we added a third gun to the skiff? (To hell with how) That would add one ore and one crystal, which would add an effective 8 production units.

The production per year works out to 200/108 = 1.85
The production overall works out to to five times that, or 9.25.

One could say that 1.85 is close enough to 2 that it makes no difference, but you'd be breaking a key rule: Only make conservative assumptions.  ALWAYS round down when you're looking at results. That probably won't be conservative enough, but it should curb some disappointment.

Now, consider a new vessel, its costs extrapolated from the original starting corvette that got cut from the first version of this game.

18 C = 81.54
12 O = 41.64
15 W = 46.5
8 S = 47.12
Sum = 216.8
((I just realized that the resource system can go by the COWS acronym. Ooops.))

It costs just more than double what a single Skiff does, which means you're going to be producing less than 1 per turn. Since I don't do fractional production, that means that a production rate of 200/216 (0.92) will get effectively cut to 0.5, or production every other turn. The max number that can be fielded likewise plummets, 1000/216 = 4.62, or overall 4. So, in the best case scenario, you can expect to get 1 of these corvettes every two turns, and produce up to a max of four.

That concludes the bulk of the exercise, but remember...

The Above Calculations Are Assuming Lossless Transition of Resources: This will only happen reliably on a five or a six when making a new pattern. For lower numbers, it depends on the exact cost values and how proven the technology is. People aren't nearly as willing to back unproven technology.

All These Numbers Are Soft: This is an estimation tool, a way to see how your resources would turn out in the best case scenario. The numbers actual numbers can always be worse, and will very rarely be better.

[helmacon]

Kasgyr has the most cows. Suck it wreth.

[Jilladilla]

Kasgyr has the most cows. Suck it wreth.

Do you though? But alas, due to the asymmetrical combat reports, the only one who should know the answer to that for certain is Draignean. And I feel he won't reveal it to the rest of us.

Unless you have something to share, that is?

[Taricus]

It's a cow and it goes moo. Do you honestly need more info than that?