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Author Topic: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires  (Read 26009 times)

10ebbor10

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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #285 on: November 22, 2017, 02:04:35 am »

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Instant Prototyping: [3] Draignean, kot, 10ebbor10
No Instant Prototyping: [3] helmacon, Milo, Doomblade187
Re-Roll Prototypes: [5] Draignean, helmacon, kot, Milo, Doomblade187,
No Re-rolling prototypes: [ 1 ] 10ebbor10

I prefer instant prototyping over rerolling. Rerolling will slow the game down, as it takes 1 entire turn per reroll. Given that projects already need a long time to deploy, that isn't neat.

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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #286 on: November 22, 2017, 02:18:47 am »

My reasoning was that with instant prototyping you can still waste dice on a project, just less of them. With re rolling, all your projects will eventually get some use. One reduces the problem, the other one fixes it.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #287 on: November 22, 2017, 02:22:22 am »

Except projects can be ruined even when the dice are statistically better than average. So, rerolling doesn't really work
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #288 on: November 22, 2017, 02:22:39 am »

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Instant Prototyping: [2] Draignean, kot, 10ebbor10, Milo
No Instant Prototyping: [3] helmacon, Doomblade187
Re-Roll Prototypes: [4] Draignean, helmacon, kot, Doomblade187,
No Re-rolling prototypes: [2] 10ebbor10, Milo

Damn it, ebbor is right. Re-rolling is too risky and costly.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #289 on: November 22, 2017, 02:24:31 am »

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Instant Prototyping: [5] Draignean, kot, 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla
No Instant Prototyping: [2] helmacon, Doomblade187
Re-Roll Prototypes: [4] Draignean, helmacon, kot, Doomblade187,
No Re-rolling prototypes: [3] 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla

Really, if it fails, it fails. Bound to get an abject failure every now and then, not every project pans out, after all.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #290 on: November 22, 2017, 03:03:58 am »

Quote from: Ultimate Votebox of Destiny
Instant Prototyping: [6] Draignean, kot, 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack
No Instant Prototyping: [2] helmacon, Doomblade187
Re-Roll Prototypes: [4] Draignean, helmacon, kot, Doomblade187,
No Re-rolling prototypes: [4] 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack
« Last Edit: November 22, 2017, 08:17:15 am by Tack »
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #291 on: November 22, 2017, 03:07:33 am »

Quote from: Ultimate Votebox of Destiny
Instant Prototyping: [7] Draignean, kot, 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack, Kashyyk
No Instant Prototyping: [2] helmacon, Doomblade187
Re-Roll Prototypes: [5] Draignean, helmacon, kot, Doomblade187, Kashyyk
No Re-rolling prototypes: [4] 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack,
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #292 on: November 22, 2017, 04:26:46 am »

Quote from: Ultimate Votebox of Destiny
Instant Prototyping: [8] Draignean, kot, 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack, Kashyyk, NUKE9.13
No Instant Prototyping: [2] helmacon, Doomblade187
Re-Roll Prototypes: [5] Draignean, helmacon, kot, Doomblade187, Kashyyk
No Re-rolling prototypes: [5] 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack, NUKE9.13
I think projects should be allowed to fail. But knowing that they've failed before you've thrown a bunch of dice and resources at them would be nice.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #293 on: November 22, 2017, 06:58:00 am »

Quote from: Ultimate Votebox of Destiny
Instant Prototyping: [9] Draignean, kot, 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack, Kashyyk, NUKE9.13, Talion
No Instant Prototyping: [2] helmacon, Doomblade187
Re-Roll Prototypes: [6] Draignean, helmacon, kot, Doomblade187, Kashyyk, Talion
No Re-rolling prototypes: [5] 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack, NUKE9.13
I think one re-roll would be good to have available for projects that are otherwise desirable but held back by one bad roll.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #294 on: November 22, 2017, 10:27:28 am »

Quote from: Ultimate Votebox of Destiny
Instant Prototyping: [10] Draignean, kot, 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack, Kashyyk, NUKE9.13, Talion, Madman
No Instant Prototyping: [2] helmacon, Doomblade187
Re-Roll Prototypes: [6] Draignean, helmacon, kot, Doomblade187, Kashyyk, Talion
No Re-rolling prototypes: [6] 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack, NUKE9.13, Madman

I agree with NUKE. Investing "only" three dice into a project and immediately knowing whether or not it's worthwhile to start throwing absurd amounts of material at it will be enough.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #295 on: November 22, 2017, 10:33:33 am »

Quote from: Ultimate Votebox of Destiny
Instant Prototyping: [10] Draignean, kot, 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack, Kashyyk, NUKE9.13, Talion, Madman
No Instant Prototyping: [3] helmacon, Doomblade187, NAV
Re-Roll Prototypes: [6] Draignean, helmacon, kot, Doomblade187, Kashyyk, Talion
No Re-rolling prototypes: [7] 10ebbor10, Milo, Jilladilla, Tack, NUKE9.13, Madman, NAV
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #296 on: November 22, 2017, 12:22:19 pm »

Baby roll that I don't have right away, but only have the rules be revealed through hints in the progress reports? That would be a kind of middle ground.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #297 on: November 22, 2017, 01:35:06 pm »

I vote no on rerolling prototypes simply because that's what revisions are already for, fixing flaws in prototypes. If we can reroll prototypes there will be less design though about how to fix flaws with revisions and more gamey thought about probabilities and whether something is worth rerolling.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #298 on: November 22, 2017, 03:21:13 pm »

The problem is that many times flaws end up being unfixable by revisions.

Maybe that's a GM fault rather than a system one, but the point remains.
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Re: Arms Race: War of the Cinder Spires
« Reply #299 on: November 22, 2017, 03:23:18 pm »

I like bottlenecking revisions, personally. Saves people constantly tuning up the one working project-
Same reason as this change- gotta encourage players to do the risky and interesting stuff.
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