Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[VoidSlayer]

We should probably make a more modern cruiser that is faster and better armed to act as a capital ship.  We need to destroy enemy naval installations and shipping once our short range torpedo boats do their work.  Hell we might even load two of em on the cruiser as escorts of a kind.  This seems more important then an airplane for the immediate war effort.

If we want artillery bunkers lets just choose that option, we could make an armored car or a very reliable rifle or an improve torpedo or something else.

[RAM]

So, ummm, is anyone going to put up that truck, artillery tractor, and Shore bombardment designs that we need?

[Nirur Torir]

I think we need to build trucks this turn if we're using them for the assault, which is a problem.

Question: If we over-research truck bug fixes, aiming to have them finished early, can we start producing them this turn?

[Aseaheru]

 We have a truck/fast arty tractor suggested, as 9.

[Madman198237]

We have evidently not started quite yet, as we've not made a votebox or anything.

Anyway, we need to just kinda not make that truck right now, because it's a disaster. The truck REVAMP needs to fix it and include the artillery trailer and stuff.

[TopHat]

Is there any hope of us getting the war declaration postponed another turn? I doubt it, which is a shame because right now we are rather woefully under-equipped. As in, one machinegun per 200-man company and eight artillery pieces per 10,000-man division. Not to mention a complete lack of assault weapons of any sort. Doubled production this turn will help a little, but not much. So here's my first suggestion:
Beta: Find someone else to pin the blame on when we start suffering the inevitable heavy casualties. Because we're going to need as much political capital as we can get. ((How do you get the greek characters?))

More positively, here are some of my thoughts, though not thought through to the point of suggestions yet:

Spoiler: Production (click to show/hide)

With doubled production this turn, we have 800 points each of general, small arms, artillery and vehicles.
The only two options I can see for the vehicle factory are to just start churning out engines to save on future costs, or to simply build the flawed Mules, plus a lot of spare parts. The drivers and mechanics will doubtless work out a way of reducing the noise, leaving only three major problems. Still, better than nothing, right?

We have major problems with the machinegun and cute apple mortar, since I doubt either will fit under small arms (or artillery), so we'll have to prioritise with the generic factory and feel the lack of the other.
the machinegun I think is more important, but will likely be improved upon sooner.

Small arms and artillery are simple, just start churning out pistols and the Dinosaur Rift, respectively.

Spoiler: Engineering (click to show/hide)

I agree with Asea's assessment on the necessity for grenades and an assault weapon, though I'd prefer an SMG to a shotgun. I'll get proposing that tomorrow. I actually consider the latter important enough that we might well want to devote a medium to it to ensure we won't need another round of upgrades before production. The small could then be used for something else, such as smoke and stars hell ammunition for our various artillery calibres, or indeed a scope.

Meanwhile, if we want to fulfill the Navy's request, would some sort of tender ship to increase the operational range of our torpedo boats be viable? We might be able to quickly modify one of the destroyers or a random merchant ship to fit the bill if so. I can't really see any other option for fulfilling the request quickly enough to make an impact.

We also have the choice between trying to fix the Mule or ditching the design and starting from scratch. Either would likely be a Medium project, though I don't know which would give us better odds of success.

[Madman198237]

Honestly, as far as MTBs go, we ought to just find a way of increasing range, because the Italians deployed them from their bases to attack targets across the Mediterranean. And it worked, quite well. The element of surprise is a powerful thing, especially in naval warfare, where one or two naval torpedoes will destroy even the largest battleships.

[RAM]

I mad an incomplete tracker for filling out if anyone wants something like that...
I didn't see any production proposals?
A: Operation Induce Headache
3 (681 tonnes, 9 months)Revolutionary Destroyers
2 (119 tonnes, 2 months)M21 Torpedo Boats

20 (200 vehicle) mule cargo trucks
10 (100 vehicle) mule cargo trucks' in spare parts
100 (100 vehicle) Recon Balloons
9/12 (180 artillery) Dinosaur Rift Howitzers
110 (220 artillery) Cute Apple Mortars
4000 (200 small arms) Model 1921 Sidearm
100 (200 small arms) Model 1921 Machine Gun
? (400 small) PB-21 Pillbox (Resources distributed evenly to all variants.)

Feel free to copy/past whatever from this post...

Spoiler: proposal tracker (click to show/hide)

DESIGN PROPOSALS
1:

:0

PRODUCTION PROPOSALS
A:

:0

GENERIC PROPOSALS
αβγδεζηΘικλμηνξοπρΣτυΦχψΩ

α:

:0

Spoiler: Votes for Traits (click to show/hide)

PB-21 Pillbox (4 bonii)
- Simple variant : A smaller variant without the cannon

: 0

- Casematte variant : A much larger variant equipped with a 80 mm cannon

: 0

- Artillery bunker variant : A variant equipped with a 160 mm cannon

: 0

- Cheap

: 0

- Camouflaged

: 0

- Communication Network : Provisions for a field telephone are included, although they may not be included in every bunker

: 0

- Rapid Construction : Design considerations ensure that the bunker can be build rapidly

: 0

- Well-supplied: Special design consideration has been given to the safe storage of large amounts of ammunition

: 0

Dinosaur Rift Howitzer (1 bonus)
- Accurate

: 0

- Rapid fire rate (4 rpm)

: 0

- Lower weight (4 ton)

: 0

- Cheap (15 cost)

: 0

[/quote]

[Aseaheru]

 Have a proposal tracker filled out, including all of Madman's unnumbered or lettered proposals. Also counter proposal for 2, namely SMG using our pistol round instead.
2.2: M23 "Paranoia's Debt" SMG; This proposed form of the Paranoia's Debt amounts to a larger form of the M21/22 pistol, using the same round, fire selector, and basic magazine shape but incorporating a heavier barrel, a folding wire stock, and larger double-stack magazines of no less than 25 rounds(40 rounds maximum)

 Voting for: 2.2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, B, α
 On Traits: Well-supplied, comms network, Camo, Casematte Variant; Cheap

Spoiler: proposal tracker (click to show/hide)

DESIGN PROPOSALS
1: M23 4x20mm Pixie Dust round(SMALL)

:0

2.1: M23 Paranoia's Debt SMG(SMALL)(REQUIRES 1)

:0

2.2: M23 SMG(Uses standard pistol round instead of 4x20mm round)

Asea :1

3: M23 Armadillo Nest 80mm artillery(MEDIUM)

:0

4: M23 Optical Sight(SMALL)

Asea :1

5: M23 Trench Gun(SMALL)

:0

6: M23 Hand Grenade(SMALL)

Asea :1

7: M1891/23 Grenade Discharger(SMALL)(REQUIRES 6)

Asea :1

8: M23 75mm Mortar (MEDIUM)

Asea :1

9: FAT-23 Truck(MEDIUM)

Asea :1

10: Scouting biplane w/ single MG(Dependant on 13)(LARGE)

:0

11: Redesign of mule truck(MEDIUM)

:0

12: Large bunker design armed with 2x 80mm guns and 2MGs or 160mm gun and 4 MGs(MEDIUM)

:0

13: Propeller-synchronization system to allow MG to fire through propeller(SMALL)

:0

14: Redesign of M21 MG to reduce weight and increase reliability

:0

15:

:0

PRODUCTION PROPOSALS
A: Operation Induce Headache

Asea :1

B: Construct 20000 ton annual production shipyard, 75 workmen.

Asea :1

C: Dedicate 25 workmen to construct defensive systems on front lines.

:0

D:

:0

GENERIC PROPOSALS
αβγδεζηΘικλμηνξοπρΣτυΦχψΩ

α: Attempts to acquire a number of FT-17 tanks from whoever, to provide a basis for domestic tank design.

Asea :1

β:

:0

Spoiler: Votes for Traits (click to show/hide)

PB-21 Pillbox (4 bonii)
- Simple variant : A smaller variant without the cannon

: 0

- Casematte variant : A much larger variant equipped with a 80 mm cannon

Asea :1

- Artillery bunker variant : A variant equipped with a 160 mm cannon

: 0

- Cheap

: 0

- Camouflaged

Asea :1

- Communication Network : Provisions for a field telephone are included, although they may not be included in every bunker

Asea :1

- Rapid Construction : Design considerations ensure that the bunker can be build rapidly

: 0

- Well-supplied: Special design consideration has been given to the safe storage of large amounts of ammunition

Asea :1

Dinosaur Rift Howitzer (1 bonus)
- Accurate

: 0

- Rapid fire rate (4 rpm)

: 0

- Lower weight (4 ton)

: 0

- Cheap (15 cost)

Asea :1

[Madman198237]

This is kinda why I want to vote based on plans, because if we get a funny pattern/overlapping plans we might end up with some bona-fide weird design choices. Anyway, I'm going to dive into the chaos that is the tracker.

By the way, thank you Asea, for setting up this round's batch of lunacy.
Here's a set of formal proposals for my suggested designs, to keep things reasonably reasonable.


10. Scout Biplane: Using fabric-and-wood construction as well as a very lightweight engine, this small aircraft is capable of observing any thing the enemy is doing and then reporting back, and does it faster and further than an observation balloon ever could.

11. The Mule Truck could be a solid vehicle, but needs work. The noise, reliability, stability, and integrity issues are all solved by our now-more-experienced engineers. Also, their pay is going to mysteriously disappear if it's not fixed.

12. Our present bunkers will hopefully receive a large number of upgrades, and designing a larger variant with either 2 80mm cannons and 2 MGs or 1 160mm cannon and 4 MGs will capitalize on that.

13. Other nations have pioneered an "interrupter gear" assembly that allows machineguns to fire forwards in a plane. By engineering one of these for ourselves, we should be capable of achieving the same thing.

14. The M21 MG is a solid design, but needs a little improvement to bring it back up to its original design specifications, and so one of our teams will work on that this year.

Spoiler: proposal tracker (click to show/hide)

DESIGN PROPOSALS
1: M23 4x20mm Pixie Dust round(SMALL)

:0

2.1: M23 Paranoia's Debt SMG(SMALL)(REQUIRES 1)

:0

2.2: M23 SMG(Uses standard pistol round instead of 4x20mm round)

Asea :1

3: M23 Armadillo Nest 80mm artillery(MEDIUM)

:0

4: M23 Optical Sight(SMALL)

Asea :1

5: M23 Trench Gun(SMALL)

:0

6: M23 Hand Grenade(SMALL)

Asea :1

7: M1891/23 Grenade Discharger(SMALL)(REQUIRES 6)

Asea :1

8: M23 75mm Mortar (MEDIUM)

Asea :1

9: FAT-23 Truck(MEDIUM)

Asea :1

10: Scouting biplane w/ single MG(Dependant on 13)(LARGE)

MAD :1

11: Redesign of mule truck(MEDIUM)

MAD :1

12: Large bunker design armed with 2x 80mm guns and 2MGs or 160mm gun and 4 MGs(MEDIUM)

MAD :1

13: Propeller-synchronization system to allow MG to fire through propeller(SMALL)

MAD :1

14: Redesign of M21 MG to reduce weight and increase reliability

MAD :1

15:

:0

PRODUCTION PROPOSALS
A: Operation Induce Headache

Asea :1

B: Construct 20000 ton annual production shipyard, 75 workmen.

Asea, MAD :2

C: Dedicate 25 workmen to construct defensive systems on front lines.

MAD :1

D:

:0

GENERIC PROPOSALS
αβγδεζηΘικλμηνξοπρΣτυΦχψΩ

α: Attempts to acquire a number of FT-17 tanks from whoever, to provide a basis for domestic tank design.

Asea :1

β:

:0

Spoiler: Votes for Traits (click to show/hide)

PB-21 Pillbox (4 bonii)
- Simple variant : A smaller variant without the cannon

: 0

- Casematte variant : A much larger variant equipped with a 80 mm cannon

Asea :1

- Artillery bunker variant : A variant equipped with a 160 mm cannon

: 0

- Cheap

MAD :1

- Camouflaged

Asea :1

- Communication Network : Provisions for a field telephone are included, although they may not be included in every bunker

Asea, MAD :2

- Rapid Construction : Design considerations ensure that the bunker can be build rapidly

MAD :1

- Well-supplied: Special design consideration has been given to the safe storage of large amounts of ammunition

Asea, MAD :2

Dinosaur Rift Howitzer (1 bonus)
- Accurate

: 0

- Rapid fire rate (4 rpm)

: 0

- Lower weight (4 ton)

: 0

- Cheap (15 cost)

Asea, MAD :2

[RAM]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have no objection to you putting up plans. I mean, goodness, I have been putting up production in plans since day 1. If you want to submit a partial production plan then go for it. Likewise, if you want a design plan I have no objection to that. I am unlikely to agree with it to such an extent that I would actually vote for it instead of the component parts, but I won't oppose you if you want to do such a thing.

[Madman198237]

That's why I proposed a "Vote for plans" system rather than this----if everyone votes in plans, we can be sure of less lunacy in overall outcomes and more dedicated focus, while still preserving...well, most of the non-confusing aspects of this (Because you can just offer a proposal for changes to the plan, like a 1. Plan One and 1.1 Don't Do C, Do F Instead// but how about 2. Plan Two)

[Aseaheru]

 But that also requires every suggested plan to take up all the rounds capacity and every vote to be for an existent plan, and not part of one, otherwise parts of the plans will conflict and then everything gets aggravating to weed through. It is far, far easier to just work off of individually suggested parts.

[Madman198237]

The point is that you can re-propose a plan if you are so inclined, and yes it adds additional work on one end, but it makes everything so much easier to parse on the average voter's end. Even on the not-so-average voter's end.

[Aseaheru]

 See comment about requiring the voters to submit plans requiring the utilization of all resources. I dont know about you, but planning out everything to be done for a turn is not something I typically wish to do, mostly because then its "AseaHeru and possibly one or two others suggests things then people vote" instead of "five or more people suggest things and vote on them".

 Plus you have things like person A liking half of one plan, but despising the rest of it, and then thus must put forward a plan that has what they like and replacements for what they dont, which they may be apathetic for or not have the time to write up".