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[Criptfeind]

Hum, alright, that seems to imply that the transport capacity of a ship is used up by any amount of use, so it probably wouldn't be possible to embark say, 2 units onto a Trireme, move it one ocean square, disembark those two units, move another ocean square, embark 2 more units, move a ocean square, and then disembark two units?

[Kashyyk]

I suppose you could do it that way, but we'd have to think of a reason why the defenders wouldn't go and fight the first two units before the reinforcements get there.

[Criptfeind]

Hum. That would open up a really weird thing where attacking directly across a strait on ships is less good then attacking a few squares away... Idk, maybe make it so that disembarking takes a square of movement from the transport but you can do it as many times as you have move in a turn? That way you could use a ship to islandhop 6 units on a Trireme, using up all it's movement, and larger armies need larger transports? Or even also a square to embark, which would bring it down to merely 2 units per turn still for the trireme (4 units if you prepped last turn), but faster ships will be able to do multiple invasions across a strait per turn?

[Khan Boyzitbig]

The Kingdom of the Corax states that north steel unsurprisingly has heavy swordsmen.
We also state that we distrust the "Central Empire" and their purple cloaks.
Further we are interested in maintaining friendly relations with nearby major powers and peaceful powers irregardless of distance.

[Kashyyk]

Hum. That would open up a really weird thing where attacking directly across a strait on ships is less good then attacking a few squares away... Idk, maybe make it so that disembarking takes a square of movement from the transport but you can do it as many times as you have move in a turn? That way you could use a ship to islandhop 6 units on a Trireme, using up all it's movement, and larger armies need larger transports? Or even also a square to embark, which would bring it down to merely 2 units per turn still for the trireme (4 units if you prepped last turn), but faster ships will be able to do multiple invasions across a strait per turn?

I'll have to think on it, as that doesn't mesh with the current method of having to move the transport into the coastal territory.

[Criptfeind]

Right. If you have to move the ship into the coastal square even if you're not attacking with it (or rather, then you would be attacking with it, but you have no choice whether or not to attack with it) then that solves the issue because the ships going to be stuck in that territory until the battle resolves. I thought that wasn't the case, cuz if it was it wouldn't be possible to do the multiple group rotation shipping thing I asked about earlier.

[Nirur Torir]

@Nirur Torir, from what I understand there has been a massage that I haven't noticed and I'm sorry for that. Would you mind reposting it cause I still can't find it.

It was this, aimed at both you and Khan.

Spoiler: Letters from Pollock, to the northern barbarian types. (click to show/hide)

Greetings, northerners. Your ferocity and battle prowess are well known.

I am Leader Nirur, of Pollock, and seek dominion over the north eastern part of the main continent.

Tales are told of your raids in years past, and I will not allow my people to suffer such. I propose first a peaceful alternative: I will allow you to conquer and rule Villvale, uncontested by my own forces. I will also allow your invasion force to land and prepare in Toldron West, once I have taken it a few years hence.

It is my hope that ruling over a more fertile land will enrich your ways of life,  that a mutual flow of goods will improve the lives of all our people, and that you will find a better path in creating riches than in slaughtering and taking from poor villagers. The riches of kings, rather than bread of the poor.

I would also like to point out publicly that I have only now actually sent any messages to any other realm but the Kingdom of Yorturim. I also hadn't responded to the message from Pollock because I was wondering how I would make use of such an offer and whether I would at all. Quite happy with what land I have.

I'm sorry about that. When this started, I had you both mentally sorted as "The northerners who are probably going to work closely together to get land on the mainland." Then I tried to figure out how quickly I could take the entire coast and fortify it better than the NPCs, due to how easy it used to be to cross that sea. It was pretty hard, and then the paranoia started feeding into itself.

A new day, a clearer head, and the realization that that would definitely not be an easy campaign for you, even if you went for it. There's really no need for every zone to be able to repel invaders by itself. Snow Dwarf, Khan Boyzitbig, I'm back to willing to let you split Villvale (and Grok East, if you both want land there, for a 4/2 or 3/3 split), and I'm take the easier provinces and sell them to you for a few hundred so you don't need to buy boats and deal with a hostile landing. Just .. after I have time to get a few defenders up.

And here I was hoping to incite some sort of fantasy race war. Back to the drawing board I suppose

You could add in some economic rivalry .. wonders, powerful entities giving quests for either artifacts (acting as transferable hero promotions?) or some sort of god buff only available to one side at a time. Maybe something like demons offering deals, which reward greatly if only one person accepts, but cause terrible damage if too many go for them or if we discuss them.

EDIT: actually does anyone have long-term (i.e. more than 15 turns) plans? Obviously I'm not asking for you to reveal them but I'm just curious if anyone else has one.

Mostly just the types of magic I'm pursing. I'll invent technology with elemental magics and enchantment.

[Taricus]

Spoiler: Letter to Brimstone (click to show/hide)

We are glad to hear of your acceptance of both trade and alliance. Now, in regards to the borders we cannot claim to know what territories you would entertain as being your borders, though we are certainly open to hearing what your territorial considerations are. As for ours, it is relatively simple; the entirety of the isle of tempests is storm empire land.

Spoiler: Letter to Corax (click to show/hide)

We welcome the acceptance of the alliance; may it benefit both our peoples and last long.

Spoiler: Letter to Yorturim (click to show/hide)

We accept the defensive pact, and would eagerly agree to trade should a route become available; such ties would benefit both of us and bring the alliance together solidly.

Spoiler: Letter to Revakn (click to show/hide)

We are delighted to hear of your acceptance of our proposals.

_{P.S: Don't ask about the scribes}

[Khan Boyzitbig]

I understand your paranoia Nirur, It is much the same reasoning as to my constant garrison of my capital with the best of my ability.
I would far sooner trade with Pollock than see you and you people as enemies, if you eventually offer to sell land I will probably accept, even the least valuable part of villvale is better than most of the northern lands.

As for a 15 turn plan, well, I will publicly state that such a plan predominantly contains strengthening my lands and establishing trade with those who are willing to trade also. I shall invest in a navy, lest pirates ruin all our plans.

[Iituem]

I'm totally up for a race war with any motherfuckers who won't accept our entirely reasonable pork and bacon alternatives (will require us to capture some lizardmen first) once we have them.  It's pretty much my nation's brief.

[Taricus]

...Pollock and pork in a race war to eat one another.

Pass the popcorn, that's going to be hilarious! And the winner won't need to worry about food so much.

[Nirur Torir]

Salamanders are amphibians, not lizards, and I can't be bothered to march troops that far anyway, so ...

[Criptfeind]

Question: Is it okay to eat pig people if you also eat all types of people? You know, so long as it's not discrimination?

[Iituem]

Funnily enough, that's an accurate description of our solution to the pork problem.

[Criptfeind]

So what type of pig people are you?

Spoiler: Sorta like this? (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Or more like this? (click to show/hide)

Just you know, to help me get the visual stuck in my mind.