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[hector13]

Oh dear. Tories apparently willing to waste even more time by urging Mrs. May to sack two senior advisors, and demand she changes the way she leads.

Perhaps by actually, you know, leading.

Edit: Ah well, never mind. That was quick.

[smjjames]

I wonder how many of the problems/issues Theresa May had mirror that of Hillary Clintons loss? Obviously there are plenty of differences, starting with staff not seeing that perhaps the candidate was the problem, but there are parallels for sure...

http://www.politico.eu/article/how-theresa-may-lost-it-uk-election-brexit-jeremy-corbyn-jim-messina-lynton-crosby-uk-sarah-palin-campaign/

(though Politico uses Palin as the example....)

[Leafsnail]

May is going to struggle to pass anything at all with the current parliament. I think there a few civil liberties minded/technically literate Tories who could easily sink the internet bill.

[smjjames]

May is going to struggle to pass anything at all with the current parliament. I think there a few civil liberties minded/technically literate Tories who could easily sink the internet bill.

Yep, I read somewhere that it would only take 4 or 5 (or 3? I forget, but you can count them on one hand) Tories to defect and block anything.

[Frumple]

I wonder how many of the problems/issues Theresa May had mirror that of Hillary Clintons loss? Obviously there are plenty of differences, starting with staff not seeing that perhaps the candidate was the problem, but there are parallels for sure...

Eehh, if you stretch things really, really hard. Clinton's closer to corbyn than she is to may personality or campaign wise, from what I can tell, and not a particularly close match for either. From what I've been picking up it kinda' sounds like may was closer to romney or something in the Obama election(s), really _{though I also wouldn't even remotely put corbyn anywhere near obama, so... yeah.}

E: Though comparisons like that are kinda' off, mind. For all may screwed up, the cons are still the largest single party on the block and expanded their share of the national vote, even as they lost seats. There's not really a POTUS election that went quite like that, that I can recall.

E2: Though it did just occur to me that corbyn's thing is possibly closer to trump than anyone, which would indeed put a parallel to clinton for may. The cons expanded their amount of popular support (by a fairly small degree, but it was still there), but lost a sizable chunk of their actual positions. So far as the popular will goes on the net, may just presided over a conservative gain (popular vote), but lost majority control (EC vote) despite it. It's not even remotely a good comparison to make, because these are really not systems similar enough to be comparing things like that and there are only significantly notable similarities between the four politicians if you squint real hard and ignore a hell of a lot, but... still. I could see the argument being made, from that angle.

[Leafsnail]

The biggest parallel to Hillary is that she hugely underestimated her opponent and spent most of her time trying to run up the score by campaigning in safe red seats rather than seats where she was potentially vulnerable. Although I think May did that to a much greater extent than Hillary.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Not campaigning and saying her opponent campaigning was disrespectful to the nation and a national security threat? A bad strategy? Noooooo.

[smjjames]

I did say that there were loads of differences, way more than there are similarities, but the similarities themselves are striking, besides the fact that they're both women.

[hector13]

Senior Tories allegedly ignore the country's need to focus on Brexit by urging Boris to challenge May's leadership.

Boris has Tweeted that this is all tripe.

[NJW2000]

The Tories will be wobblier if they don't remove May at this rate... with all the pressure on her to leave. Either way, she'll just sit tight and be told what to do from now on, I imagine... her career is finished, certainly.

[hector13]

Depends how you look at it. The Tories will look entirely out of touch by doing that.

They have a minority government regardless, it doesn't matter who's leading, they need to appeal to other parties (at least the DUP) to get things done.

Not to mention enough time for Brexit negotiations has been losses away already. At this rate it looks like no deal is going to be better than actually getting to the bloody table at all.

[smjjames]

Senior Tories allegedly ignore the country's need to focus on Brexit by urging Boris to challenge May's leadership.

Boris has Tweeted that this is all tripe.

Lol the Churchill quote on one of those.

The Tories will be wobblier if they don't remove May at this rate... with all the pressure on her to leave. Either way, she'll just sit tight and be told what to do from now on, I imagine... her career is finished, certainly.

Unless Parliament does a vote of no confidence at her, didn't they do that for one or more of your past Prime Ministers where they resigned or were forced out shortly after?

@Hector: It's an unstable government, from what I've heard and/or read on here. They don't exactly have a big edge on the threshold, and if this fails, it's Labors turn next.

[hector13]

James Callaghan in the 70s I think it was. Minority Labour government propped up by N. Irish votes, funnily enough. Resigned before a vote of no confidence, after refusing to fund a gas pipeline in N. Ireland.

Lead to Mrs. Thatcher.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

So what you're telling me is, when this all collapses Corbyn will become head of a Laour supermajority and lead Britain into neo-Marxist glory.

[smjjames]

I may have been thinking about someone else though.

Still, if this fails, it is Labors turn, right? Only problem though is that they'd have to form a coalition with every other minor party, including DUP and random other parties, and even then they'd only have a threshold of 6. At this point, it'd be easier for either the Tories or Labor to just do a minority parliament and compromise with the other major party. That, or be forced to do another election with no guarantee of getting a majority for either.

So what you're telling me is, when this all collapses Corbyn will become head of a Laour supermajority and lead Britain into neo-Marxist glory.

Read the above part of my post.