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[Sheb]

Yeah, the best news for Corbyn is that his position as leader (and his brand of leftist) in now entrenched. I'm sure there were a lot of Laor MPs who would have like for Laor to take a beating everywhere except their constituency to habe an excuse to oust Corbyn.

Heh, up here in Scotland Labor was telling people to vote Conservative in more than a few constituencies.

Really? What was the logic? Screw the SNP to get some breathing room?

[Grim Portent]

Yeah, the best news for Corbyn is that his position as leader (and his brand of leftist) in now entrenched. I'm sure there were a lot of Laor MPs who would have like for Laor to take a beating everywhere except their constituency to habe an excuse to oust Corbyn.

Heh, up here in Scotland Labor was telling people to vote Conservative in more than a few constituencies.

Really? What was the logic? Screw the SNP to get some breathing room?

Basically. Happened last election as well. Lib Dems, Labour and Conservatives up here all ganged up on the SNP and flung tactical voting suggestions all over the place. Their election leaflets around here this time around said some variation on 'only we (Lib/Lab/Con) can keep the SNP out', where the SNP said 'only we can keep the Tories out'. Says a lot about the state of things really.

[scriver]

Seems like most of England is named like a map for a shitty D&D campaign. 

Naw..  It's that even Tolkien couldn't out-Fantasy some of the actual Shire names, thus hamstringing the derivative works...

(Good morning, all.)

ETA:

More Jórvík than Northumbria. Northumbria extended further north to Hadrian's Wall.

Also, as being "North of the Humber", it excludes significant parts of Yorkshire, including The Peoples Republic Of South Yorkshire (as previously ruled by King Arthur. Scargill, that is).

I have been wikipediing up my memory and decided that the old British kingdoms of Elmet and Ebrauc might do, as well as Rheged. Or why not go full out Hen Ogledd?

Most fitting is, of course, The Kingdom of Northern England, the realm of John Uskglass, immortal king of York, Faerie, and a tiny piece of Hell itself.

But still, you don't see Cornwall or Essex or Norfolk calling for such a thing, and they were all proto-English kingdoms as well.

Neither Essex nor Norfolk is proto-English unless by that you mean proto-England - the difference is pretty significant.

As for Cornwall, well:

a Cornish nationalist, centre-left political party in Cornwall, United Kingdom. It primarily campaigns for devolution to Cornwall in the form of a Cornish Assembly, as well as social democracy and environmental protection.

If anything the reason they want a Geordie Assembly has more to do with the north/south England split than anything else. They want to keep our from under the loaferne  soles of those posh bastards down south.

Yeah, the best news for Corbyn is that his position as leader (and his brand of leftist) in now entrenched. I'm sure there were a lot of Laor MPs who would have like for Laor to take a beating everywhere except their constituency to habe an excuse to oust Corbyn.

Nah, 40 years of rot don't wash easily. If anything it is much more likely to corrupt Corbyn instead. Can't stop the trend train, neoliberalism knows no brakes.

[Sheb]

He, Corbyn has been a MP forever now.

[hector13]

So... what does this mean for Brexit? Are the Tories going to waste more time with coalition talks and a leadership contest before, you know, getting a team together to figure out what their negotiating positions actually are, and actually starting the talks?

[scriver]

He, Corbyn has been a MP forever now.

I don't see what that has to do with anything.

[Sheb]

Yeah, I guess so. Given the short time period, this raise the chance of not so much a hard brexit as a messy one.


Scriver: He had plenty of opportunity to get corrupted by the specter of neoliberalism.

[scriver]

Yeah, but now he's in charge.

And I resent your spectre word choice.

[Sheb]

Yeah, but now he's in charge.

And I resent your spectre word choice.

You think he's going to be corrupted now? I think he'll still have a lot of work to do to fight the institutional inertia of Labour, but I don't think he himself will change much. And his position to fight such inertia is now much, much better. Three weeks ago, some were calling Labour's left-wing manifesto "Electoral suicide". Right before Labour skyrocketed in the polls.

As for the specter, I'm not entirely certain what you resent. I mean I'm not a huge fan of neoliberalism myself (although I AM quite centrists in many ways).


Edit: May announced a Tory government with the DUP. By my count that gives her 327 seats, so a wafer-thin majority but a majority. Not clear if it's going to be a coalition or a minority gov propper by the DUP.

[Azzuro]

I think scriver meant you spelt 'spectre' instead of 'specter'.

Anyway, I think this does raise the possibility of the European side going hard in the Brexit negotiations, seeing as May can't exactly claim a strong mandate of the British people now. She also doesn't seem to be handing in her resignation anytime soon.

[Frumple]

I mean... brexit can't claim a strong mandate of the british people, either. If that's going to stay on course may sticking around would be pretty even?

Kinda' curious what you'd count as going hard, though. The UK's not going to get better than norway at this point, ferex.

[smjjames]

I think scriver meant you spelt 'spectre' instead of 'specter'.

It's the other way around, but yeah, I think scriver was just ribbing you over it sheb.

[smjjames]

Continuing on my HYS adventure, I found another idiot. This time he was saying that the minimum voting age should be raised as the "Youth" don't know how to vote right.

I can't tell if he was joking or not.

HYS?

[martinuzz]

So this minority government idea with DUP, will that mean that gay marriages are going to be banned in the UK (Cameron refused to cooperate with DUP because of that), abortion made illegal again, and will they retreat from Paris, like Trump did (DUP are notorious climate change deniers)? If that's the case, I suggest kicking the UK out of the EU before they can even say 'Brexit'. No negotiations, just kick and full boycot.

[hector13]

Tories won't be that stupid.

* hector13 remembers the Brexit referendun and recent election

... er... again?