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[Shakerag]

Okay, just have some time to make some reads/observations:

D1 lynch - flabort was the lynch vote.  Voting him were:
doll - flipped town
4maskwolf
Lenglon - is town
Pozzai - flipped town
Tea

Statistically speaking, I would think one of 4maskwolf or Tea would be scum.  Of course, this assumes a lack of extreme shenanigans (which, to be frank, are at least possible in a BYOR) along the lines of Lenglon having a hidden extra alignment, Pozzai/doll flipping as a false alignment, etc.

Voting FallacyOfUrist at the end of D1 were:
hector13 - only death on N2, revived
Persus13 - one of three deaths on N1, revived
Jack A T - shares a chat with TolyK

I would be inclined to think that scum wouldn't be trying to bus that hard on D1, so that's points against these three for being scum.  Also, with hector13 and Persus13 catching unclaimed kill attempts (as far as I remember), it would seem slightly further unlikely that they are scum (granted there could be redirects/reflections/etc., hence "slightly").

On D2, the lynch on FallacyOfUrist was:
Jack A T - ended D1 and D2 voting for FoU
Persus13
Lengrag x 3

Also noting FoU was voting for TolyK at the end of D1 and D2.

So, just looking at statistics and voting patterns:
4maskwolf - Possibly scum by statistics.  Did also do that redirect thing against Tiruin.
flabort - Likely non-scum.  Hard to picture as scum getting bussed D1.  Also fairly open on sharing role information.
hector13 - Likely non-scum.  Didn't vote on D2 though.
Jack A T - Possibly non-scum.  Consistency on FoU works in his favor.
Lenglon-Shakerag - Hi there.
Persus13 - Likely non-scum, but just under hector13 due to being one of multiple deaths. 
Tea - Possibly scum by statistics.  Didn't have a vote on D2, but would have voted for FoU.
TheBiggerFish - Total wildcard.  No vote on D1, voted hector13 on D2.
TheDarkStar - Voted TBF on D1, and no vote on D2.  Also a wildcard.
Tiruin - Voted TBF on D1 and us on D2.  Typically hard for me to read, but gut is leaning scum.
TolyK - No vote on D1, flabort on D2.  Proposing everyone wins scenario.  Leaning town.

[webadict]

Quick post while I muddle my way through too many posts: clarification questions.

Webadict: A few questions:
*If a player had a power that acts as flabort describes Heroes, and that player was hit by multiple counts of the same multi-target power at the same time (by redirect?), how many powers would they get?
*If a player had a power that acts as flabort describes Heroes and used a power that acts as flabort describes Spiders Everywhere, would they gain powers through the use of the latter?  Spiders Everywhere is not a targeted power as described, so I would think not.

Please rephrase the question or provide the relevant quotes, so that I don't answer this question improperly.

Webadict Are you sure you didn't make any mistakes?

Not this time.

[Jack A T]

Peter Petrelli (town)
Auto: Heroes: Whenever targeted by someone or I target someone, gain a 1-shot version of a random ability of theirs. If I gain a power from all living players, I win.
<snip>
1-shot, Night (gained N1, used N2) Spiders Everywhere: all players with web strands gain an additional web strand.

Webadict: See above.

[flabort]

Still working on my other big post, didn't mean to post the other one but I think I'll leave it as is, because it was mostly complete.
Thought I'd comment on some things that have been posting since then.

Statistically speaking, I would think one of 4maskwolf or Tea would be scum.  Of course, this assumes a lack of extreme shenanigans (which, to be frank, are at least possible in a BYOR) along the lines of Lenglon having a hidden extra alignment, Pozzai/doll flipping as a false alignment, etc.


I would be inclined to think that scum wouldn't be trying to bus that hard on D1, so that's points against these three for being scum.  Also, with hector13 and Persus13 catching unclaimed kill attempts (as far as I remember), it would seem slightly further unlikely that they are scum (granted there could be redirects/reflections/etc., hence "slightly").


So, just looking at statistics and voting patterns:
4maskwolf - Possibly scum by statistics.  Did also do that redirect thing against Tiruin.
flabort - Likely non-scum.  Hard to picture as scum getting bussed D1.  Also fairly open on sharing role information.
hector13 - Likely non-scum.  Didn't vote on D2 though.
Jack A T - Possibly non-scum.  Consistency on FoU works in his favor.
Lenglon-Shakerag - Hi there.
Persus13 - Likely non-scum, but just under hector13 due to being one of multiple deaths. 
Tea - Possibly scum by statistics.  Didn't have a vote on D2, but would have voted for FoU.
TheBiggerFish - Total wildcard.  No vote on D1, voted hector13 on D2.
TheDarkStar - Voted TBF on D1, and no vote on D2.  Also a wildcard.
Tiruin - Voted TBF on D1 and us on D2.  Typically hard for me to read, but gut is leaning scum.
TolyK - No vote on D1, flabort on D2.  Proposing everyone wins scenario.  Leaning town.

I have to agree with this, but for different reasons. I'm pretty much leaning the same ways, as you will see in my next big post.

Webadict Are you sure you didn't make any mistakes?

Not this time.

Explain. *distressed dalek noises* Do you mean, you're not sure this time, or you didn't make any mistakes this time?

[webadict]

No mistakes. Come on, if I made a mistake, I'd say it, then I'd never update the game again and flee the country.

Oh, by the way, my update will be a little late, I'm packing some suitcases.

Seriously though, Day extended to Monday. I will have a vote count up around 9.

[Tiruin]

PFP (because woooo wifi at review center \o/ [and yet it doesn't show that fancy phone logo in my posts -_-)
@Flabort I do believe I clarified (ie In a post to Tea way back) that, NO, I did not act on you N2, and next, me saying The words that came off.to you as 'ima watch Flabort' was more "this dude in my sights" rather.than blatantly announcing my.night action ..i mean, its like you took THAT seriously rather.than my context that you were good at listimg (but in your perspective lens >_>) of all my prior posts. Its that I track high priority peiple and ive been "watching" your behavior intently due to my notes pointing toqards high-powered play (since D2), and a subtle/covert dayplay.

Also 'gut is leaning scum' ...wow :v i mean you wouldnt notice your own prejudice EVER since you tried.making a "case" on me what with all the leading emotional words and idead framing my actions.in a certain intent. Thats very clear V:

And yes im on phone. All these buttons are so small.D:< but i make bigger.posts just to show (and hug Lenglon) that details-by-phone is possible.

@Flabort: whaddya mean by i'nconvenient.of you'? ||| also tht 'this cant be possible' was written as an "as-if" speaking with someone (that being webby in PMs) but its more.my.internal.monologue. I do that.

[hector13]

Having some (presumably) minor health issues preventing me from having energy and motivation for this right now, will hopefully get a substantial post in tomorrow or Saturday.

In the mean time, I'd like 4mask to walk is through their thought processes on redirecting an investigative ability, specifically their thoughts on how it would help the town, if they considered any drawbacks of doing this, and how all this influenced the final decision to do it.

[Tiruin]

PPE wow phone view isn't friendly :v I mistook Sgaketag as Flabort. Because virwing in reply.mode isn't shpwing specific nnes (my 2nd paragraph there).

Inasfar as my duspicions are concerned, 4mask stands out. But I'm still awaiting TDS' response.as a secondary suspicion and redvote.

[Jack A T]

A few thoughts.

I have a town read on Tiruin.  Troubled by her minimal positions days 1 and 2, but I have a town read anyway.

Spoiler: Material on Tiruin (click to show/hide)

A few major reasons.  First, this:

I do not think Flabort is scum, and warrants how many votes he has on him, especially given the content of doll's case; doll's case has sense, but it is sensible only through a lens of reasoning that is on doll's personal side there too.

This is a very Tiruin pushback.  Generally authentic-feeling, as if built on her own real thoughts on the matter.  The continued pushback against doll makes this feel more than a token move.  Looks better when Fallacy's flip is kept in mind: the flabort lynch was the scum-favouring D1 wagon.  Gave me a good feeling at the time, though.

So I provided a foam finger to her.  Let's her cheer someone on to give them a vote.  One-shot day power.  Two days later:

Also, you two [Lengrag], have my extra vote. Cheering you on dudes.

Note the provision to the player-hybrid that guaranteed Fallacy's lynch (that is, provision to probable non-scum).  What's really important here, though, is that Tiruin did not save this one-shot power for LYLO.  Good sign: not focused on forcing vote at endgame.  This is mitigated a bit by Tiruin being Tiruin, though.  (Also, I note the lack of an extra vote in the votecount for Lengrag, though.  However, actions directed at Lengrag seem to be going awry in general.)

The orange [Balance] is exactly my Auto.

As a side note, this is what I expected.  Note earlier references to Balance with a capital B.

Tiruin: I've noticed you've been a lot more willing to vote without strong reads than I've usually seen you be.  Any reason?  Second, why make it so clear that you were using the foam finger?  Finally, please confirm that you used the foam finger.
4maskwolf: I'm finding your behaviour odd, particularly with regards to voting.  I have a few questions:
*When did you begin to suspect FallacyofUrist?
*Was there anything to your suspicion beyond NYAHNYAHNYAH?
*During D2, your only comment on flabort was a rejection of his viewpoints question.  You felt pretty strongly about flabort D1, but dropped the case D2.  Why?  What is your current read of flabort?
TheDarkStar: Have some stuff written out on you on my end, but first I need answers to a few questions. You went through D2 suspecting Fallacy, but not voting for him (or anyone).  Why?  In addition, what led you to drop the TBF case?
Finally, to be absolutely clear, your action claim is that you are a watcher who watched last night and flabort the night before, seeing who visited them?
Please answer my questions for once.

[Lenglon]

Tiruin:
N1 you protected me, is that correct?
N2 you again protected me, is this correct?

[flabort]

I have more time today and there are less people to read than last time I did reads, so today I'm doing proper full analysis of some people. Not everyone, eg Tiruin I already looked at this way, and lengrag would be too much of a headache to analyze this way, what with the formatting.

Spoiler: 4maskwolf (click to show/hide)

[1] RVS question to Doll, predicting that they will either be allies or enemies, but nothing inbetween.
[2]  RVS answers, and asking TBF about their questions suspiciously.
[3] Talking about who he does or doesn't know (Tea), a vote on Lenglon for their wagon vote, RVS response to Jack.
[4] Discussing RVS as a concept, claim "chaos" as a theme.
[5] More RVS as a concept discussion
[6] RVS and dismissing themes as WIFOM rabbit holes
[7]Claims Conway's Game of Life as his rolename, for purposes of providing something to react to. Also demonstrates WIFOM, but as part of his provision of something to react to.
[8]Reaction to TolyK's supershort post.
[9]Chastising/correcting TolyK for mis-reading his reaction
[10]Asking Hector about their prods on Persus.
[11]Asking Pozzai about the meta they are used to, mentioning a previous game.
[12]Discussion wiht Pozzai about site meta
[13]Encouraging Pozzai to pursue their goals without waiting
[14]Banter.
[15]Banter and describing a townread.
[16]Complaining about quote pyramids.
[17]Unvoting their RVS vote, complaining of lack of time and the density of the game.
[18]Votes me for my lazy reads list. Very dense post (especially compared to earlier posts by them), very thorough picking apart of my reads.
[19]Promising more content later. Kinda long winded way of saying they just try to remember stuff.
[20]Discussion with Lenglon and TolyK, poking TBF, explaining their behavior to Doll. Invisible text hinting towards monsters.
[21]Explaining hidden text as a breadcrumb in case of mass claim later.
[22]Kind of dense discussion with Lenglon and TolyK. Some brief comments about his opinions on some players.
[23]Clarifying to Tea about how semi-hammers work.
[24]Saying that they can't make a proper post right then.
[25]Asking Fallacy about a post restriction
[26]Electing to ignore my challenge to produce forced reads from opposed viewpoints.
[27]Voting Fallacy over their post restriction.
[28]Talking about his vote on Fallacy
[29]Mentioning why he redirected TDS being that he wanted to know more about Tiruin, and more about TDS.
[30]Rejecting Lenglon's comment that the redirect was a scum tell with the defense that this is a BYOR.
[31]Telling Lenglon to actually read instead of reacting.

Summary: Can create a lot of content on a single subject when called for (posts 18, 20, 22), but not much content per post otherwise. Could be excused by lack of time, if not active lurking.
Breadcrumbing sounds suspiciously like the Mafiakill ability I gained, but they claim to have targeted TDS the night that I gained that ability, backed up/prompted by Lenglon's question to them.

I definitely want to see more out of them, and fast, ESPECIALLY their claim.Unvote Tiruin, Vote 4maskwolf

Spoiler: hector13 (click to show/hide)

[1]RVS responses, discussing RVS theory with Jack, voting Persus over the hammers/wagons thing, jumping on TBS for their sarcastic question about pressure votes.
[2]Unmarked responses to either 4mask, Pozzai, and/or persus.
[3]Either sass or correcting themselves on pronoun usage.
[4]Brief comment about being too slow on commenting on something.
[5]Poking 4mask for explanation of their town read, pushing Pozzai to do reads for themselves, commenting on opening stunts sometimes working.
[6]Auto correct shenanigans causing the post to lose it's original meaning.
[7]Saying they haven't really read stuff and will be back later. I can't get away with this kind of stuff.
[8]Pre-warns that this will be a WoT, responses to TBF about their votes and activity, discussion about game stages and if it's too early for stuff with FoU, discussion with Pozzai about their weak day game, squabbling with TolyK about the meanings of what they said, banter with OSG and Jack AT, a vote on FoU
[9]Discussing me with Doll, mentions the games progress
[10]Banter with Persus and explaining his vote on FoU and how they aren't completely dedicated to it.
[11]PFP, poking TBF for answers.
[12]Response to TBF and pushing for answers still
[13]EBWOP, clarifying the question.
[14]Asking if TBF is ignoring them
[15]Getting mad at TBF for their minimal answer, comparing them with Roo.
[16]Mentions when their weekend is, calls themselves lazy (I can't get away with that), response to Tea about flying under the radar.
[17]Menitoning confusion between TolyK and Tea
[18]Response to Jack AT about their TBF case
[19] banter, I guess
[20]Asking FoU to go into detail and answer questions.
[21]Response to Lenglon about Doll's claim
[22]FoS on me, comments about why I didn't seek clarification with the mod about stuff on my first role, about how I wasted my kill, and on my claim. Votes lengrag, for shakerag's qualifier on lenglon's plan.
[23]Discussion with Lenglon about their fusion, and offering a rebuttal about WIFOM.
[24]Banter about states, summarizes their cases on FoU, TBF, me, and Lenglon. Also says they will post more on Tuesday.
[25]Explains some slang.
[26]Asks TBF what doesn't make sense.
[27]Tells FoU that they aren't scumhunting, straight up.
[28]Asks FoU to do something other than wait on TolyK
[29]Corrects the mod.
[30]WoT #3. Response to Lenglon regarding their vote, the thing about WIFOM, threatens them with an unknown ability from an unknown player, and some general antagonization of Lenglon.
[31]A template so that Lenglon can easily respond to their last post.
[32]Directed at me, basically why I wasted my 1-shot.
[33]Getting mad at Lenglon for not using the template.
[34]Not giving a fuck about bad cell service, accusing Lenglon of having started with a conclusion and building a case on that. Generally being antagonistic.
[35]Asking others to chime in on the back-and-forth, admitting that they are impaired by anger.
[36]Calms down, admits overreacting to what was probably an overreaction, talks about not trusting millers completely.
[37]Unvotes, says FoU is likely to have his vote.
[38]Comments on the lynch, and says they need to re-read.
[39]Extends, asks me to re-explain my power again.

Summary: I thought I had tunnel vision. Never claimed a bad phone connection, only times they mention not having ability to post is for weekends and nights. So any lack of content or inactivity is inexcusable. Fortunately for them, they are fairly active, just overwhelmed. What I feel is actually bad for them is that they weren't paying attention to anyone but FoU, TBF, Lenglon, and me, and they weren't even paying that good of attention to me. Also that they have antagonized the three people they have focused on so much. I have a hard time saying that the lynch on FoU could have been a bus, but I don't want to rule it out either.

Spoiler: Jack AT (click to show/hide)

[1]Claims a theme ASAP, balance of threat, RVS questions to everyone, votes tea on Pozzai's case.
[2]Response to TBF + Pozzai on RVS, 4mask on unease over claimed theme, and Lenglon encouraging a wagon.
[3]Response to TBF on their response about getting a response. Traditional RVS fair.
[4]Response to TBF about same as before.
[5]WoT RVS responses. Most important part that jumps out is interaction with Tea, but not sure why.
[6]Asking pozzai for clairification, response to Lenglon about own claim.
[7]Responses to RVS, comments to Persus/FoU about their actions so far.
[8]Accepts TolyK's offer of private chat. responses to FoU and more to Tea, one to Pozzai, banter with Hector, shakerag.
[9]Response to Pozzai about his RVS questions and his opening claim gambit,
[10]Explains url and bbcode to Pozzai
[11] Responses to tea regarding Tea trying to pick Jack appart, ending with a vote on them, and RVS responses to FoU and Tiruin.
[12]Possibly breadcrumbing for a claim later, since he likes to request roles based on Canadian parliament. But then claims to be a rifle. Posts reads, a couple town and a couple scum leans. Some questions meant to take others out of RVS.
[13]A youtube link. I didn't watch it.
[14]Explaining that the link is a scene from a show I didn't watch.
[15]Explains to Lenglon why they are voting Tea.
[16]Further explains that Tea is looking for null tells, but admits he might change votes.
[17]A few responses to other people, unvotes Tea and explains why, FoS on FoU, and then a vote on me for my lazy reads.
[18]Explains to hector about TBF, explains to TBF about hector, tells me why people are voting me and tries to cheer me up.
[19]Unvotes me, citing my mental health (which I appreciate more than he knows) and how my responses do seem to be coming from a town perspective. Votes Fallacy for their reads seeming manufactured. Posts a cat video for me.
[20] Comments on the lack of flips, and on TDS's vote + TolyK's strats. Confused over my vote, asks wuba a question.
[21]Votes Fallacy. Pushes a pretty dense case on him.
[22]Points to hector and tells him that it looks like he is rolefishing, talks miller theory.
[23]A few short responses, more miller theory in a spoiler, and continues his dense case against Fallacy.
[24]Thanks Wuba for an answer.
[25]Analyzes FallacyofUrist post flip. Comes up with some ideas of who to pursue.
[26]Quick response and extends.
[27]Asks who recieved the beer can targeted at Lengrag, mentions giving one to Persus (who has confirmed receiving it)

Summary: Neeeergh, even more target fixation. But, he keeps up enough conversations that despite that he does seem effective at his hunt. Definitely was influential in getting FoU lynched. Makes me think that Lengrag was randomized, both in things aimed at them and things which they aimed. Friendly, one of the few people who kept my mental health in mind, and I certainly appreciate it, but I do have to wonder it it was buddying - though I'm inclined to think not.
Either town or very effective scum. Probably town.

Oh god I don't want to do more.
I was also going to cover Persus, TBF, TDS, and Tea in this post, but I think I've done enough for now. My head hurts and I am getting tired and I have chores to do soon. I really need to clean the kitchen, badly.

PPE:

No mistakes. Come on, if I made a mistake, I'd say it, then I'd never update the game again and flee the country.

Oh, by the way, my update will be a little late, I'm packing some suitcases.

Seriously though, Day extended to Monday. I will have a vote count up around 9.

Like when you forgot you had modkilled OSG? *cough*

PFP (because woooo wifi at review center \o/ [and yet it doesn't show that fancy phone logo in my posts -_-)
@Flabort I do believe I clarified (ie In a post to Tea way back) that, NO, I did not act on you N2, and next, me saying The words that came off.to you as 'ima watch Flabort' was more "this dude in my sights" rather.than blatantly announcing my.night action ..i mean, its like you took THAT seriously rather.than my context that you were good at listimg (but in your perspective lens >_>) of all my prior posts. Its that I track high priority peiple and ive been "watching" your behavior intently due to my notes pointing toqards high-powered play (since D2), and a subtle/covert dayplay.

Also 'gut is leaning scum' ...wow :v i mean you wouldnt notice your own prejudice EVER since you tried.making a "case" on me what with all the leading emotional words and idead framing my actions.in a certain intent. Thats very clear V:

And yes im on phone. All these buttons are so small.D:< but i make bigger.posts just to show (and hug Lenglon) that details-by-phone is possible.

@Flabort: whaddya mean by i'nconvenient.of you'? ||| also tht 'this cant be possible' was written as an "as-if" speaking with someone (that being webby in PMs) but its more.my.internal.monologue. I do that.

Oh relax. It's clear you've had a stressful day today, plus the phone isn't helping right now, so have a relaxing bath and come back and rethink that. Like I just said in the previous post, I'm questioning myself right now and I know I was probably a bit too hard on you. Especially with new evidence that has come to light when I reread the thread.

PPE wow phone view isn't friendly :v I mistook Sgaketag as Flabort. Because virwing in reply.mode isn't shpwing specific nnes (my 2nd paragraph there).

Inasfar as my duspicions are concerned, 4mask stands out. But I'm still awaiting TDS' response.as a secondary suspicion and redvote.

Er... well. I'd like to know why you suspect them, but since I too came to that conclusion independently, I... lost my train of thought, sorry. I had a reply in mind, but I lost it.

[Tiruin]

@Lenglon (am on phone): I really feel like Shakerag is impression reading me :p that said, I doublefeel like you didn't read my posts thoroughly (See: orangr.highlight in Flaborts post, in my post--that IS MY auto)
N1: I Investigated Lenglag (I spoofd my 'passive investigate' for attraction)
N2: I protected Lenglag.

Both failed. V: but.that does.mean I got somrones attention. I did both because of yhe "doublr-target" principle, and "when you pair a millerSK with a conjoiner, you want to make sure, or at least they're non-Mafia'.
So yeah.

@Jack: Its that through D1/2 I was acting covert in Day (not.that outstanding worksmanship), as I was acting on my role arsenal.

PFP more later. Break done
 Can't wifi

[webadict]

Peter Petrelli (town)
Auto: Heroes: Whenever targeted by someone or I target someone, gain a 1-shot version of a random ability of theirs. If I gain a power from all living players, I win.
<snip>
1-shot, Night (gained N1, used N2) Spiders Everywhere: all players with web strands gain an additional web strand.

Webadict: See above.

Quick post while I muddle my way through too many posts: clarification questions.

Webadict: A few questions:
*If a player had a power that acts as flabort describes Heroes, and that player was hit by multiple counts of the same multi-target power at the same time (by redirect?), how many powers would they get?
*If a player had a power that acts as flabort describes Heroes and used a power that acts as flabort describes Spiders Everywhere, would they gain powers through the use of the latter?  Spiders Everywhere is not a targeted power as described, so I would think not.

1. That ability is a little vague. My interpretation of it is that you would likely only gain one power, as it doesn't appear to be related to the number of abilities that are targeting you, but the number of players. If the ability was from the same person, it wouldn't increase the number of powers.
2. Not being a targeted action is NOT the same as not targeting a player. In this case, you would be indirectly targeting any player with web strands. However, without a clarification as to what constitutes that last line, I'm afraid I can't be of more help, as that may change the nature of this ruling.

[webadict]

Ok reading some stuff and thinking about other stuff.

webadict:  Can you give a list of circumstances under which you would give a player a "you failed" sort of message from their night action (as opposed to giving no message at all in regards to their night action)?

Typically, a "Your action has failed" action is reserved for when you are unable to find your target (Such as a Hide action) or your ability fails to hit a valid target (Say, an ability requires targeting a dead player and it hits a living player due to a redirect). This would NOT include roleblocks, which generate a block message. Additionally, many failures may be action-related, so there may be conditions applied that allows for their failure, as failures DO NOT reduce the number of uses an ability has remaining (1-Shots are not used when they fail.)

[webadict]

Sorry for my lateness in updating.

Day has been Extended! +48 Hours

Vote Count
------------------------
4maskwolf - Lenglon, Tiruin, flabort,
flabort -
hector13 -
Jack A T -
Lenglon-Shakerag - Shakerag,
Persus13 -
Tea -
TheBiggerFish - Tea,
TheDarkStar -
Tiruin - TheDarkStar,
TolyK -
No Lynch - TolyK,

Not Voting - hector13, Jack A T, Persus13, 4maskwolf, TheBiggerFish,

6 To Hammer. Day Ends on Monday, June 26th around 8:00 PM CST. There is no Extension available.

Survival - The Mafiakill does not count toward the 1 action per Phase limit.