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[Stirk]

Helmet-compatible transparent imaging: Probably something you can do without Research.

[RAM]

Spoiler: somewhat ambitious gun design for next phase (click to show/hide)

A heavy bullpup assault(battle?) rifle optimised for accuracy while employing an 8x50mm round. Utilises hyperburst, 2 toggleable 20-round magazines, battlespike, under-barrel 24mm 4-round shotgun, holographic sights, fixed stock, and a cupholder.
Initial ammunition types include soft hollowpoint and soft with a hardened penetrating core.
Utilises a "shifted blowback pulse" system to produce an extremely rapid two-round burst. Also features full-auto.
Magazines are inserted into a conveyor that can be cycled using a bolt on the external side. This allows the magazines to be switched rapidly, permitting rapid switching between two ammunition types or replacing an expended magazine while the weapon is still loaded with a full magazine. This system is made sturdy to prevent mistakes.
The magazines are inserted underneath with a slight offset towards the internal-side. The two magazines together, combined with the internal preference, does make changing magazines a bit awkward, but the other agazine can act as a guide, aiding in blind-reloads.
It features a oair of short, sturdy spikes projecting from either side of the barrel. These can be used offensively but are also useful for anchoring the rifle to a soft object to steady it when firing, or to hold it against a single piece of the target's anatomy to unload a whole magazine into the same hole...
At the front is a downward-projecting crip which contains a manuall-loaded ammunition feed for a bottom-fed semi-automatic 24-millimetre shotgun. The default round of which is 8mm steel balls. This is primarily for destroying soft tissue or deterring a nearby threat.
Comes with a standard holographic sight and fixed stock.
Features a collapsible horizontal ring midway along the interior edge. This can be expanded to hold spare magazines, shot-bandoliers, or a covered beverage.

And thus is my attempt to reinvent the gun. I expect it to be unpleasantly heavy and ideally supported by dedicated close-range support, but it ought to cover all bases...

[Stirk]

2 S.L.U.D.G.: RAM, Mallos
0 Analise skeleton smoke:
1 Analise zombie brains: Hibou
0 A.B.C. scrambler tweaks:
0 Spectral sensors:
0 Public Division:
2 Analyze Zombie Bodies: Madman198237, Crazyabe

Looks like we are at a tie! Again!

[Draignean]

3 S.L.U.D.G.: RAM, Mallos,Draignean
0 Analise skeleton smoke:
1 Analise zombie brains: Hibou
0 A.B.C. scrambler tweaks:
0 Spectral sensors:
0 Public Division:
2 Analyze Zombie Bodies: Madman198237, Crazyabe

[Stirk]

3 S.L.U.D.G.: RAM, Mallos,Draignean
0 Analise skeleton smoke:
1 Analise zombie brains: Hibou
0 A.B.C. scrambler tweaks:
0 Spectral sensors:
0 Public Division:
2 Analyze Zombie Bodies: Madman198237, Crazyabe

And looks like we have a tie breaker! S.L.U.D.G is the winner!

Phase 1 Round 2
Design Phase

80R
Current Designs:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

M4 Carbine: M9 Handguns: Interceptor Body Armor: M67 Fragmentation grenades
Low/Free/None.
Standard starting equipment. Some researchers theorize that the equipment you receive is old, damaged, or even sabotaged by enemy infiltrators. If true, than even producing clones in house would lead to more efficient weaponry.

SD1 "Oversight"
A basic handheld device with a small monitor attached to it. The device uses a combination of radar, infrared, and other techniques to locate other entities in the rough direction where it's pointed at. Anything detected shows up on the small monitor. The device is small and can be easily stored by anyone.
This device can be used by anyone and can be flicked on, improving our teams' spatial awareness at all times and keeping them from being caught unaware. It's recommended that multiple people get it to provide redundancy, but otherwise one person can operate the device while the rest have their weapons equipped, and the device can easily be stowed if needed.
Very Low/20R/Fragile, Weather Weak

Current Equipment:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

2 Oversights
1 Zombie Corpse (Damaged)
5 Zombie Corpse (Heavily Damaged)
Two Skeletons (Damaged)
Two Skeleton Shields/Swords/Helmets

Current Enemies:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Zombies
Anemic green humanoids, typically with visible injuries that would normally disable a human. The field has shown them to be highly resistant to damage to anywhere that isn't the head. Slow, shambling, and weak they are no danger to our soldiers in open combat. As such they seem to prefer ambush tactics, and are apparently numerous enough that overwhelming numbers might become an issue in the future. The nature of their weakness means that most zombie corpses will not have intact brains when recovered, however it also means that "live" subjects will relatively simple to obtain. Soldiers are already planning to dismember a subject, and will attempt to do so if the mission is fully under control.

Skeletons
Human skeletons, often scratched and damaged. Field testing has shown them to be highly resistant to damage at all points on their body. It seems that they can only take so much damage before collapsing into a pile of bones (which primary testing has shown to be completely mundane). More interestingly, it seems that an invisible force is manipulating it like a puppet. Something is shown retreating from a skeleton on their "death". It can apparently leave the skeleton before death at will, and appears to have been used as a sort of scout for ambushes. They are all accompanied by a sword, shield, and helmet.

Current Technology:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

S.L.U.D.G
(Semi-Liquid Uniform De-mobilization Glue)
The idea is that it's a cross between spray-able foam insulation and rubber cement. It's a two-step process, featuring one solvent with a special polymer inside stored in one container and another catalyst stored in another. These two are combined in a mixing chamber where the catalyst begins to neutralize the solvent, reducing its solubility. This also produces heat, which in part reduces the strength that the polymer chains have leftover. This mixture is them sprayed out of the nozzle, where the polymer chains cool and as they are no longer held in stasis inside the solvent they reform quickly into long, strong chains that form a thick ooze on whatever the mixture was sprayed on in a matter of seconds. The neutralizing solvent sprayed along with it releases gas bubbles as it undergoes the process, puffing up the goop until it expands and cools into a strong, stretchy foam that can hold a person and possibly something stronger in place where it stands.

The end product is a goop that can be transported in a liquid form and can undergo a chemical reaction on demand that can turn it into a foam that expands and then hardens or at least thickens very quickly as to immobilize whatever it's being fired at. This design hopefully can create a foam that will be strong enough to immobilize something with the strength of an average human, but later versions could up the ante to hold down something bigger like a werecreature or moving vehicle. Having a backup chemical that can dissolve the SLUDG is handy, but not necessarily required so long as the soldiers understand not to point the gun at eachother.

It is currently the next design phase. Keep in mind that you may reroll a single stat on the Oversight instead of creating an entirely new design.

[Madman198237]

I'd recommend we give ourselves a nice little advantage:

ABC Scrambler Grenades
Ever feel like a regular ol' frag ain't cutting it anymore? Are your enemies refusing to lie down and die when you shoot them, frag them, and step on them? Well, LOOK NO FURTHER! This grenade uses a series of illegal tricks scientifically proven methods to inundate your enemies' EVERYTHINGS with pain and overload! It will scramble their Aural, Biological, and Chemical senses. They wreck hearing, balance, vision, and even your sense of smell through a combination of a flashbang's extreme bright flash and deafening noise and an assortment of fun chemical irritants that do not hang in the air. They are specifically designed to incapacitate anything human or monstrous. We presume that the skeletons will likely be unaffected (Bright flashes, loud noises, and chemical irritants don't do much when you don't actually have eyes, ears, or a nervous system), but there's always the "Hit in head with moderately heavy thrown object" approach, I guess.

(1) ABC Scrambler: Madman198237

[VoidSlayer]

Frag grenades seem fine for now.

What about making a solid battle rifle with an underslug grenade launcher.  Once we have a good main weapon for our guys we can upgrade it's grenades and bullets as we discover more about what we are facing.

[crazyabe]

My Personal Suggestion would be Designing a new gun, which is a combination of a Club and a Shotgun, and is Designed to Shoot masses of Wire attached to little metal balls AS WELL as ordinary Shotgun shells, this would give us a decent weapon against Skeletons which would severely reduce the number of shots required to kill one, Reducing the number of Bullets wasted attempting to Shoot it here and there.

[RAM]

0 Prom-S.A.-8-2 "Unobtanium" Battle Rifle (RAM): RAM| http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164218.msg7464933#msg7464933
0 ABC Scrambler Grenades (Madman198237): Madman198237| http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164218.msg7466560#msg7466560
0 "Shubbun" close assault gun (crazyabe): crazyabe| http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164218.msg7466570#msg7466570

[Madman198237]

That's the thing: This grenade is basically a cocktail of war-crimes worthy horrors disabling agents and a flashbang, all rolled into one. Making it would give us the almost future-proofed ability to disable any living enemies we encounter. I don't care how many centuries of killing an elder vampire has under his metaphorical belt, he can't do squat if he's been blinded, deafened, tear-gassed (Basically, anyway. These chemicals are not as safe and legal as tear gas), and neurotoxined. As in, the "Biological" side of things is a debilitating, temporary neurotoxin. Meant to work only for 30 seconds to a few minutes, depending on the nervous system of the target, it interferes with muscular control....and might cause minor brain damage. Hence the rapid settling effect built in to the grenade. Helps the nasty stuff stick to targets better, while also preventing our own guys from being hit with the crap.

1 Prom-S.A.-8-2 "Unobtanium" Battle Rifle (RAM): RAM| http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164218.msg7464933#msg7464933
1 ABC Scrambler Grenades (Madman198237): Madman198237| http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164218.msg7466560#msg7466560
1 "Shubbun" close assault gun (crazyabe): crazyabe| http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164218.msg7466570#msg7466570

[crazyabe]

That's the thing: This grenade is basically a cocktail of war-crimes worthy horrors disabling agents and a flashbang, all rolled into one. Making it would give us the almost future-proofed ability to disable any living enemies we encounter. I don't care how many centuries of killing an elder vampire has under his metaphorical belt, he can't do squat if he's been blinded, deafened, tear-gassed (Basically, anyway. These chemicals are not as safe and legal as tear gas), and neurotoxined. As in, the "Biological" side of things is a debilitating, temporary neurotoxin. Meant to work only for 30 seconds to a few minutes, depending on the nervous system of the target, it interferes with muscular control....and might cause minor brain damage. Hence the rapid settling effect built in to the grenade. Helps the nasty stuff stick to targets better, while also preventing our own guys from being hit with the crap.

Lets consider for a moment what we are dealing with at the moment...
-Zombies: Undead, only directly hampered from moving by Shots to the head, don't feel pain, definitely Mindless though the brain is still required, Melting Parts off(Jaw,Arms,eyes...) with acid would likely be the only "Chemical" weapon that would hamper them severely.
-Skeletons: Lack any Biological Components besides bones, Definitely don't feel pain, Chemical weapons which Directly Destroy those would be most effective, REMOVING ARMS AND LEGS WOULD ALLOW FOR EASY CAPTURE ASSUMING THEY DON'T DISINTEGRATE UPON BEING DISARMED.
Thus your chem bombs would likely Only effect OUR troops at the moment, while theirs would be marched into our solders without significant impairment, and when you assume Vampires, Consider that Bullets with crosses on 'em, Holy water, and Silver would ALL be effective, and much more effective then dodgy chemical warfare, finally consider Just how Effective those would be against Ghosts, Who lack all biological Parts... and would likely be what our opponent would research down if we went in the direction you want.

[Madman198237]

Yeah but no.

Zombies can't just "see" the world around them. This thing scrambles their nervous systems and blinds them. It doesn't matter if they can't feel pain (Though pain is a bonus), they can't see. And if the neurotoxin works as intended, they'll have trouble moving as well. Eyes are a physical thing, and hitting them with a flashbang will blind them. It overexposes your retinas and your rods and cones shut down momentarily...usually for a few seconds. Just long enough to get shot dead by a crack team of undead-killers.

[Draignean]

Yeah but no.

Zombies can't just "see" the world around them. This thing scrambles their nervous systems and blinds them. It doesn't matter if they can't feel pain (Though pain is a bonus), they can't see. And if the neurotoxin works as intended, they'll have trouble moving as well. Eyes are a physical thing, and hitting them with a flashbang will blind them. It overexposes your retinas and your rods and cones shut down momentarily...usually for a few seconds. Just long enough to get shot dead by a crack team of undead-killers.

We have no idea how these zombies see, in fact we have no idea how their biology functions at all. Weapons designed, as you yourself stated, to work well against any living being should not be our priority when we have an immediate non-living threat.

2 Prom-S.A.-8-2 "Unobtanium" Battle Rifle (RAM): RAM, Draignean | http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164218.msg7464933#msg7464933
1 ABC Scrambler Grenades (Madman198237): Madman198237| http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164218.msg7466560#msg7466560
1 "Shubbun" close assault gun (crazyabe): crazyabe| http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164218.msg7466570#msg7466570

[Madman198237]

But we do know that they are, in fact, reanimated corpses. Had we dissected them, perhaps we'd know more. I suggest we get a move on with dissecting enemies. Regardless of our chances, learning new things is going to be infinitely more important than inventing most technologies, at least until we know what we're inventing to fight. Again, this is future proof. We've seen two archetypes so far. Next, could be spirits (Unlikely. Non-corporeal things seem absurd at this early level of our development----we'd have no chance), werewolves (Seems like something to save for harder difficulties, but you never know), different types of undead (Faster zombie breeds? Stronger ones?), who knows. But a grenade useful against anything with eyes and/or a nervous system is a solid investment. A new battle rifle might be OK, but I'd say that our present rifle does everything required. We've encountered no problems, so I vote we don't fix it, instead we branch out early. The detection system was a solid investment. Let's development another technology. Inhibiting your enemies is always a good tactic.

And since when is this grenade going to damage or inhibit our soldiers? I was very clear on its effects. It's a flashbang grenade with rapid-settling chemical component. In other words, *poof*, the gas settles in one second or so, and then the soldiers rush in to finish the job as the nerve agents go to work on the monsters.

[crazyabe]

But we do know that they are, in fact, reanimated corpses. Had we dissected them, perhaps we'd know more. I suggest we get a move on with dissecting enemies. Regardless of our chances, learning new things is going to be infinitely more important than inventing most technologies, at least until we know what we're inventing to fight. Again, this is future proof. We've seen two archetypes so far. Next, could be spirits (Unlikely. Non-corporeal things seem absurd at this early level of our development----we'd have no chance), werewolves (Seems like something to save for harder difficulties, but you never know), different types of undead (Faster zombie breeds? Stronger ones?), who knows. But a grenade useful against anything with eyes and/or a nervous system is a solid investment. A new battle rifle might be OK, but I'd say that our present rifle does everything required. We've encountered no problems, so I vote we don't fix it, instead we branch out early. The detection system was a solid investment. Let's development another technology. Inhibiting your enemies is always a good tactic.

And since when is this grenade going to damage or inhibit our soldiers? I was very clear on its effects. It's a flashbang grenade with rapid-settling chemical component. In other words, *poof*, the gas settles in one second or so, and then the soldiers rush in to finish the job as the nerve agents go to work on the monsters.

We HAVE already Observed non-corporeal Entitys, they are what "Drive" the Skeletons, and are why they Break down when Significantly damaged.