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[Madman198237]

Yggdrasil: (2) Madman198237, Nirur Torir

It's mentioned that it will be able to construct vessels slightly larger than the Iliad.


Also, unless Chief disagrees, the atmosphere isn't the problem, it's the gravity. IF you can't fight gravity you crash. If you CAN, then atmosphere isn't a problem---you're a sealed environment and can descend slowly enough to avoid stressing the hull.

[Nirur Torir]

There is a large difference between "These facilities can handle ships up to X size" and "We're spending part of this to streamline the Iliad production just a bit more."

Yggdrasil: (1) Madman198237
Yggdrasil prepped for Iliad construction: (1) Nirur Torir

Also, unless Chief disagrees, the atmosphere isn't the problem, it's the gravity. IF you can't fight gravity you crash. If you CAN, then atmosphere isn't a problem---you're a sealed environment and can descend slowly enough to avoid stressing the hull.

No, just have a low orbit slightly above the mountain ranges and do fly-bys.

[Madman198237]

OK....again, you need too much thrust (Most likely) to break out of that orbit, being much closer to the planet.

And fine, consider the thing prepped for Iliad construction. I don't honestly know why you'd specify that. I think the DM can figure out that "Built to construct ships" and "Capable of constructing ships up to X size above Iliad" means that it can produce the Iliad.

[Nirur Torir]

OK....again, you need too much thrust (Most likely) to break out of that orbit, being much closer to the planet.

Thrust is only really a problem for launching, not for shifting orbits, and we have unused transport capacity for more fuel. But never-mind, I'm tired and re-read Chief's message, and we can't get the precision to do anything other than bombard non-existent fortresses.

And fine, consider the thing prepped for Iliad construction. I don't honestly know why you'd specify that. I think the DM can figure out that "Built to construct ships" and "Capable of constructing ships up to X size above Iliad" means that it can produce the Iliad.

The difference is that 50 turns in I wouldn't expect a shipyard upgrade to upgrade all existing designs. Thus, I don't expect a pure shipyard upgrade to upgrade existing designs now. It might, and it would be nice, but it's worth specifying.
And you're really strawmanning that.

[Draignean]

OK....again, you need too much thrust (Most likely) to break out of that orbit, being much closer to the planet.

And fine, consider the thing prepped for Iliad construction. I don't honestly know why you'd specify that. I think the DM can figure out that "Built to construct ships" and "Capable of constructing ships up to X size above Iliad" means that it can produce the Iliad.

Oh for God's sake.

Yggdrasil SS-01A
Built entirely in space, this revolutionary new structure is basically a free-falling warehouse and factory with 4 arm-like structures. Two of them are docking areas, comprising a place for a spacecraft to dock and load/unload crew, goods, weaponry, or ammunition. The other two are construction yards, capable of building or refitting/repairing one ship at a time or being used as more docking space. It is to be locked in a geosynchronous orbit over an empty part of one of Moerth's landmass(es). Everything needed to build spaceships, and almost everything meant to travel on them, will first go to this station. Shuttles from the surface dock next to the roots of the arms, in small bays made specifically for the ease of loading and unloading cargo and people. There are basic crew amenities in the central section. It has a few emergency course-correction thrusters scattered evenly around its surface. If its orbit threatens the population below, it is to be corrected immediately. If it cannot be corrected, there are hundreds of contingency plans for an emergency evacuation from the station, which will then make an escape from the planet or, if that is not possible, a descent into the atmosphere in such a way that the wreckage hits in the middle of an empty area, and all possible debris falls away from populated centers.

Highly modular construction allows both quick replacement of damaged modules and simple expansion. The current construction yard modules are geared primarily to produce the Illiad class warship, with expanded dry-dock facilities available for experimental designs up to 150% the scale of current designs.

Okay compromise?

We can upgrade the station modules later.

[Nirur Torir]

Okay compromise?

Yggdrasil: (2) Madman198237, Nirur Torir

[NUKE9.13]

Yggdrasil: (3) Madman198237, Nirur Torir, NUKE9.13

Yeah, alright. We need more ships to compete with the more ships they will be pumping out now that they have metal sources. (I've linked to Draignean's version. I assume everyone is okay with that)

For our revision, we need to create a proper transport (Hollow out the Iliad, perhaps). And then next turn, we need to design an all-terrain (including water), small-arms-proof vehicle. That'll let us close the distance with their snipers without fear, and give us the mobility we need on C2. (We will need the transport to move a vehicle that will probably be more than 1 CU)

[10ebbor10]

Updated version of the list

Turn 1 : Enemy designs nothing new
Turn 2 : Semi-automatic battle rifle
Turn 3 : Winged Fighter and armor suit
Turn 4 : Carrier

Current enemy distribution :

B2 : Battle rifle [M: 2/3, A: 1/3]   US WINNING
A2 : [M: 1/3, A: 2/3] US Losing
    - Battle Rifle, Armored Suit
    - Battle Rifle
C2 : Carrier + 2 fighters [M: 2/3, A: 1/3] Us losing
    - Battle Rifle
    - Battle Rifle

Spoiler: Enemy designs (click to show/hide)

Winged Fighter
Weight:
Expense: At least 2

Carrier
Weight:
Expense: 1

Armored Spacesuit
Weight:
Expense: At least 1

Interplanetary Transport Craft: A primitive “shuttle” capable of carrying a unit and basic equipment to another planet. It’s quite large, and built completely in space. Docked to it are SSTO rocket shuttles designed with just enough fuel to carry things to/from planetside and return. However, the lack of large empty spaces in the shuttle and craft as well as limited fuel in the rocket shuttles means it can’t carry “heavy” things. The ITC relies on efficient chemical engines for thrust and powers essential systems via solar panels. While it can still carry units, the ITC cannot carry any item with a minimum weight above 1 CU.
Cargo: 4 CU
Expense: 3x

Printed Pistol: A basic pistol that’s created via advanced 3d-printing techniques, making it very cheap. Unfortunately, its benefits stop there. It’s uncomfortable to use, inaccurate, works at short ranges, and fires very weak rounds. Fortunately, these rounds are still enough to puncture the basic suits and unarmored clothing used by soldiers on the field. Very light. Unreliable.
Weight: 1 CU = 10x
Expense: Unlimited

Semi-Auto Rifle : Armor piercing rifle that is accurate at long range
Weight: ?
Expense: At least 5

X112 Space Suit - A bulky space suit originally designed for the vacuum of space. It’s relatively flexible compared to spacesuits used by earlier space agencies such as NASA, but greatly restricts agility. Its complete lack of armor doesn’t help either. Luckily it’s cheap to produce.
Weight: 1 CU = 3x
Expense: Unlimited

Kevlar Armor & Uniform: Very basic thin-layered and light-weight partial Kevlar armor. Not even a helmet is included. This armor was originally used for security personnel sent with the colonies. It cannot be used in conjunction with regular armor. The facilities for producing Kevlar are still very limited in the colonies, making this armor a luxury.
Weight: 1 CU = 5x
Expense: 1x
Resources: Metal

Radio: Communications are done via basic radio systems. However, the size required means units would have to lug expensive radio systems to planets with them in order to communicate with Central Command back at their homeworld.
Weight: 2 CU = 1x
Expense: 2x
Resources: Metal

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Apparently, you don't need troops on a resource planet to finish occupation. Wish we'd known that.

[Draignean]

Yggdrasil: (3) Madman198237, Nirur Torir, NUKE9.13

Yeah, alright. We need more ships to compete with the more ships they will be pumping out now that they have metal sources. (I've linked to Draignean's version. I assume everyone is okay with that)

For our revision, we need to create a proper transport (Hollow out the Iliad, perhaps). And then next turn, we need to design an all-terrain (including water), small-arms-proof vehicle. That'll let us close the distance with their snipers without fear, and give us the mobility we need on C2. (We will need the transport to move a vehicle that will probably be more than 1 CU)

For our revision, I'd like to upgrade our missile systems- in particular tracking. There is absolutely no reason we should have to wait for a firing arc with our missile launchers. We should be able to lock, fire, and forget.

[10ebbor10]

Oh yes.

Should be enormously simple too, given that we have the ability to integrate whatever electronics are needed directly into the case.

[Shadowclaw777]

Is no one going to compound that we had to shoot multiple volleys of missiles to hit their fighters, while their fighters launched effectively 4 missiles that all hit. I'm pretty sure they have some sort of tracking missiles. They probably spent their revision phase or a previous design phase to create them.

Second, what I'm confused about during the strategy phases is while we let go and let the Amaokians to have control and extract resources in A3 and C3, we haven't sent any units in A1 or C1 to begin resource extraction. As it was already mentioned, we can send our two units into A1 and C1 and we don't have to keep them for multiple turns for occupation. Theirs probably going to be extra units or even production lines, for occupations for these planets. Which means that since the Amaokians have access to 2 planets and a homeworld, while we only have a homeworld. They are probably going to have some sort of advantage over us because of the extra planets they control over us.

[10ebbor10]

Is no one going to compound that we had to shoot multiple volleys of missiles to hit their fighters, while their fighters launched effectively 4 missiles that all hit. I'm pretty sure they have some sort of tracking missiles. They probably spent their revision phase or a previous design phase to create hem.

Yeah, that is an issue. Pretty sure our missiles are guided though.

Second, what I'm confused about during the strategy phases is while we let go and let the Amaokians to have control and extract resources in A3 and C3, we haven't sent any units in A1 or C1 to begin resource extraction. As it was already mentioned, we can send our two units into A1 and C1 and we don't have to keep them for multiple turns for occupation. Theirs probably going to be extra units or even production lines, for occupations for these planets. Which means that since the Amaokians have access to 2 planets and a homeworld, while we only have a homeworld. They are probably going to have some sort of advantage over us because of the extra planets they control over us.

The problem is, where are you going to get the soldiers? You need them there for 3 turns at least, until all terrain is captured.

On another note, benefit of planets is fairly small. You need to dedicate a transport vessel to get 1 resource, which can allow you to make 1 extra example from 1 design.

[NUKE9.13]

On another note, benefit of planets is fairly small. You need to dedicate a transport vessel to get 1 resource, which can allow you to make 1 extra example from 1 design.

...oh, so you do.

Cargo & Logistics & Resources - Interplanetary travel isn't easy. Transport methods must be utilized to transport Units, resources, and designs. The weight and cargo space something taken is represented by their CU level. Every design has a CU level. A Unit has a CU level of 2, and 1 Resource has a CU level of 3.
Resources are present on the planets, and when that planet is under full control, a transport craft can be assigned to ferry that resource. But the effectiveness depends on the CU of that craft - for example, 2 resources on a planet require 6 CU total in order to gain control of those resources. Transport craft assigned to resources are considered a part of their expense limit.

So not only would they need a transport, they'd need a newly designed transport, since the ITC can't carry non-unit cargo with a CU greater than 1.

Phew. I'm a lot less worried now.

Anyway, I guess I'd be fine with revising the Iliad (and IMW, for all the good it does)'s missiles to have better tracking abilities. Who knows, maybe we could design a vehicle that is smaller than 1 CU.

[Draignean]

Anyway, I guess I'd be fine with revising the Iliad (and IMW, for all the good it does)'s missiles to have better tracking abilities. Who knows, maybe we could design a vehicle that is smaller than 1 CU.

Probably not one capable of withstanding sniper fire.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for firing a Bolter from the back of a hoverbike, but Small+All-Terrain+Armored is a tall bill.

[10ebbor10]

Anyway, more analysis of past battles.

A3  [M: 1/3]
C3  [M: 1/3]
B2  [M: 1/3, A: 1/3]
A2  [A: 1/3]
C2. [A: 1/3]

A3  [M: 1/3 A: 2/3]  2 Tiles Lost
C3  [M: 1/3 A: 2/3]  2 Tiles Lost
B2  [M: 1/3, A: 1/3]
A2   Not mentioned Presumably [A: 2/3] 1 tile lost
C2. [M: 2/3, A: 1/3]  2 Tiles gained

A3  [A: 3/3]  1 Tiles Lost
C3  [A: 3/3]  1 Tiles Lost
A2  [M: 1/3, A: 2/3]  1 Tiles gained
B2  [M: 1/3, A: 1/3]
C2. [M: 3/3, A: 0/3]  1 Tiles gained

A2. [M: 0/3, A: 3/3]  1 Tile lost
B2  [M: 2/3, A: 1/3]  1 Tile gained
C2. [M: 2/3, A: 1/3]  1 Tile lost

GM: Why did everyone gain double the normal amount of tiles in 2208?


Anyway, I think we evacuated too early. In 2208, our units were threatened with destruction, but it turns out that they won't be destroyed even at 0/3.