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Alpha Loves You

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How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« on: May 12, 2017, 05:37:36 pm »

So, I got attacked by a necromancer and his 40 zombies, you know, normal stuff.
I managed to kill them all except 4 undead humans with full steel armour and an undead advark head that won't die no matter how many times it's hit, even though it's brain is gone.
How do I kill these guys and lift my siege?
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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 05:43:41 pm »

If nothing else works you can bunker inside and wait them out. I was sieged in the first year and had no chance to win so I closed the gates and it took a year and one seasson for them to leave. Never got attacked again and now I am ready for any siege :(
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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2017, 05:47:58 pm »

@Alpha: which version are you playing? 43.05 fixed some 'unkillable undead parts' bugs..
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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2017, 06:10:22 pm »

Steel armored and presumably steel armed undead, are horrible and probably can kill many of your trained and armored dwarfs in a stand-up fight. The best option would be to lure them into cage traps or trap them in a corridor (locking doors or raising bridges), then leave them to be dealt with later. Caging them should raise the siege, trapping them in a hallway might not.

The aadvark head is probably the "unkillable small head" bug where every hit glances off. Cage it or kill it with a DFHack command. That is
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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2017, 06:30:34 pm »

..."exterminate him/her".
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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2017, 06:33:51 pm »

If nothing else works you can bunker inside and wait them out. I was sieged in the first year and had no chance to win so I closed the gates and it took a year and one seasson for them to leave. Never got attacked again and now I am ready for any siege :(
The problem is that for some reason, these 4 undead won't stop bashing the aardvark head, even when we fight them they won't stop. So they won't leave.
@Alpha: which version are you playing? 43.05 fixed some 'unkillable undead parts' bugs..
43.05, which is worrying
Steel armored and presumably steel armed undead, are horrible and probably can kill many of your trained and armored dwarfs in a stand-up fight. The best option would be to lure them into cage traps or trap them in a corridor (locking doors or raising bridges), then leave them to be dealt with later. Caging them should raise the siege, trapping them in a hallway might not.

The aadvark head is probably the "unkillable small head" bug where every hit glances off. Cage it or kill it with a DFHack command. That is
Same as above, the undead won't move due to trying to kill the unkillable head. I'll give DFhack a try though
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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2017, 08:26:38 pm »

BTW what weps are being used on the head? (atom)mashing weps are the only useful ones vs undead IIRC; if the fighters are using edged/pointy weps they won't do much even if they hit..

Ofc, there's always magma ;)
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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2017, 11:58:02 pm »

As Patrik indicated above, use DFhack's exterminate command on the offending exmortal.
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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2017, 02:25:21 am »

I used exterminate because there was one undead stuck underwater in a pond outside my fort while the rest of the army left the map and therefore the siege was not lifter and most likely never would be. Just select the unit/place cursor above the unit and type "exterminate it" and you are done. You must have DFHack for it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2017, 11:45:10 am »

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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2017, 11:47:56 am »

A good defense strategy should include a long entry hall thats covered by ballistas.  With the ability to fure down with crossbows and fire across with ballistas most attackers are easy prey for a partially trained set of long beards with axes and hammers. Add in a fully trained set of hammer and axe lords, nothing stands a chance. I have to put the occasional set of traps to try to catch the useful dragons and other mega beasts that may show up.

The biggest challenge is getting all the workers inside before the ballista is set to fire rods of dismemeberment down the hall.
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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2017, 02:47:28 pm »

Ok fam, now I need your help again.
How do I use DFhack?
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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2017, 05:01:03 pm »

Ok fam, now I need your help again.
How do I use DFhack?
It depends on your starting point. If you're using the Lazy Newb Pack DFHack provides a console window that starts together with DF when you launch DF from the launcher, unless you have disabled DFHack from the launcher UI. To use DFHack commands you bring the DFHack console window to the foreground and type the appropriate command.
If you're playing vanilla you need to download DFHack http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=164123.0 and install it first, and I assume there are instructions for that.
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Re: How do you kill that which is unkillable?
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2017, 05:43:17 pm »

It worked
Thank you all so much for helping me cheat my way through the unwinnable game  :)
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