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Total Members Voted: 106

[Kashyyk]

UFAF-SNB-45 'Tubby Duckling' (1) : Madman
Microprocessors (0) :
UF-GEV-45 Ekaterina (3) :, Kot, NAV,, 10ebbor10
UFN-SS-45 Archer II (3) : Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, Kashyyk
UFAF-JB-45 Hammer of Forenia (8): Zanzetkuken, eS, Happerry, Jilladilla, Taricus, Conscript Five, Powder Miner, Parsely
UFAF-LAB-45 Dustbiter (4) : NUKE9.13, Wizgrot, Andrea, RAM

Vote sub for an easy paradigm shift! The first one was built in 1776! There is literally no counter in the entire archipelago! Trash Canner naval advantage and sea based TC! _{Cannot confirm that subs will affect TC}

[NAV]

UFAF-SNB-45 'Tubby Duckling' (1) : Madman
Microprocessors (0) :
UF-GEV-45 Ekaterina (2) :, Kot, 10ebbor10
UFN-SS-45 Archer II (4) : Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, Kashyyk, NAV
UFAF-JB-45 Hammer of Forenia (8): Zanzetkuken, eS, Happerry, Jilladilla, Taricus, Conscript Five, Powder Miner, Parsely
UFAF-LAB-45 Dustbiter (4) : NUKE9.13, Wizgrot, Andrea, RAM

I do like the Dustbiter. I am voting for the paradigm shift guaranteed naval advantage with no counter for this turn and experience towards a missile sub though.

[stabbymcstabstab]

UFAF-SNB-45 'Tubby Duckling' (1) : Madman
Microprocessors (0) :
UF-GEV-45 Ekaterina (2) :, Kot, 10ebbor10
UFN-SS-45 Archer II (4) : Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, Kashyyk, NAV
UFAF-JB-45 Hammer of Forenia (9): Zanzetkuken, eS, Happerry, Jilladilla, Taricus, Conscript Five, Powder Miner, Parsely, Stabby
UFAF-LAB-45 Dustbiter (4) : NUKE9.13, Wizgrot, Andrea, RAM

Might as well secure the vote.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

UFAF-HB-45 "Spectre"

The first new bomber created by Forenia in fourteen years.  The Spectre utilizes knowledge gained from the innovation of Jet, Radar, and Transport Aircraft technologies, along with making its own strides to become the most effective bomber thus far in the war.  It's sights have been updated to be able to bomb from any altitude it can fly at, and possesses a radar system in the cone of the craft.  The bomber is in possession of six Turboprop engines and four hardpoints that allow for a degree of configuration.  These allow for the bomber to carry either 16 tons of bombs or missiles internally, or add 4 Turbojet engines on hardpoints to boost the internal capacity to the maximum 24 tons internally along with a bit of a speed boost.  The plane is helped in getting this payload despite its comparatively small size thanks to using what is termed a double bubble fuselage, along with careful shaping of the nose to cause the body itself to provide increased lift.  Efforts made on this strange shape of Fusalage allows the wings and tail to have a lower size requirement for the same performance, helping reduce the Radar signature of the craft even further.  The craft is in possession of all countermeasures built by Forenia, including an optional new one of paint using Carbonryl Iron and small balls to create a Radar absorbant paint to reduce its visibility on Radar, utilizing a color to reflect UV light to reduce the lock-on ability of the newest Canallan missiles.

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By all indications, the Ice Giant would be similar to this, and I picked this as a basis for the above design.  Both have similar spec for width and length, so cost should be roughly the same thanks to the much smaller fuselage of the Convair.  I then downscaled it a bit to make it even cheaper (note that the Convair could carry 39 metric tons of bombs across its four bays, and I'm going with a 26 metric maximum).

As for the Iron Ball paint, well one of the key pieces of a version of tech is Carbonyl Iron, and its powder form that could be used for paint was invented in 1925.

With the degree Hammer is ahead, I'm switching my vote to this.

UFAF-SNB-45 'Tubby Duckling' (1) : Madman
Microprocessors (0) :
UF-GEV-45 Ekaterina (2) :, Kot, 10ebbor10
UFN-SS-45 Archer II (4) : Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, Kashyyk, NAV
UFAF-JB-45 Hammer of Forenia (: eS, Happerry, Jilladilla, Taricus, Conscript Five, Powder Miner, Parsely, Stabby
UFAF-LAB-45 Dustbiter (4) : NUKE9.13, Wizgrot, Andrea, RAM
UFAF-HB-45 "Spectre" (1) : Zanzetkuken

[Parsely]

unguided torpedoes are super inaccurate and therefore ineffective? I suppose WWII Britain had absolutely nothing to fear from those German u-boats then, must have been all exaggeration. Guess things like "leading your target" and trigonometry also don't exist in this universe either? FYI most of the Battle of the Atlantic was fought with unguided torpedoes.

Compared to ASMs? Of course they are, that's why as the war went on they were cramming more and more torpedo tubes on, because you needed to fire multiple torpedoes at once to ensure a kill, or so you could engage multiple targets back to back.

If guided anti-ship missiles didn't have a massive advantage in accuracy over torpedoes then they wouldn't have completely supplanted them? What's the point of having torpedoes when anti-ship missiles are available to us right now and they're more accurate, have more range, and just as much firepower as our current torpedoes?

[Madman198237]

UFAF-SNB-45 'Tubby Duckling' (0):
Microprocessors (0) :
UF-GEV-45 Ekaterina (2) :, Kot, 10ebbor10
UFN-SS-45 Archer II (4) : Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, Kashyyk, NAV
UFAF-JB-45 Hammer of Forenia (: eS, Happerry, Jilladilla, Taricus, Conscript Five, Powder Miner, Parsely, Stabby
UFAF-LAB-45 Dustbiter (5) : NUKE9.13, Wizgrot, Andrea, RAM, Madman
UFAF-HB-45 "Spectre" (1) : Zanzetkuken

OK, so, U-Boats were deadly. Not so much to prepared military fleets, but it took the British and Americans YEARS to make ASW capable of seriously protecting a fleet if the Germans sent a U-boat wolfpack against one. A gamechanger at this point, however, they won't be. Next turn looks like "Cannala rolls out sonar and a depth charge revision, your mines and subs are now useless, bow before the Cannalan Navy". Even if we then produce a missile sub. A better option would be missile destroyers and a revision to stop our missiles from somehow having worse range than the Cannalan missiles, which might as well be using a flipping LIQUID ROCKET ENGINE for all the efficiency its getting (namely, it is somehow running a ramjet that can have an efficiency of no more than 600 seconds [upper edge of liquid-fueled rockets] and outranging us, while being cheaper and possibly even lighter than our missile. Conventional jet engines have efficiencies in the thousands or better).

The low-altitude bomber is the best option. It allows us to preemptively ignore hostile SAMs, will hopefully be Cheap, and will be capable of all sorts of fun roles (We could, for instance, revise an ARM [anti-radiation missile, flies back along a hostile's radar beam to kill the radar station] this turn, and ruin the enemies' radar systems). However it needs to be carrier-capable, or really REALLY should be, anyway, and I don't think it mentions that.

[Taricus]

There's no way we're gonna make a modern jet bomber carrier capable with our current carrier. It's just too small for them to take off from.

[Madman198237]

There's no way we're gonna make a modern jet bomber carrier capable with our current carrier. It's just too small for them to take off from.

I have one wonderful acronym for you, my fine doubting friend:
RATO.

[Parsely]

Active sonar is one thing but depth charges were an extremely poor anti-submarine weapon, a more potent threat would be radar equipped long-range patrol aircraft (especially if the Archer II has no snorkel in which case it will be spending a lot of time on the surface), hedgehogs, or deck-launched guided torpedoes.

[Taricus]

I have one wonderful acronym for you, my fine doubting friend:
RATO.

RATO ain't gonna work if the damn thing is too big for the deck altogether.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

UFAF-SNB-45 'Tubby Duckling' (0):
Microprocessors (0) :
UF-GEV-45 Ekaterina (2) :, Kot, 10ebbor10
UFN-SS-45 Archer II (4) : Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, Kashyyk, NAV
UFAF-JB-45 Hammer of Forenia (: eS, Happerry, Jilladilla, Taricus, Conscript Five, Powder Miner, Parsely, Stabby
UFAF-LAB-45 Dustbiter (5) : NUKE9.13, Wizgrot, Andrea, RAM, Madman
UFAF-HB-45 "Spectre" (1) : Zanzetkuken

Updating the votebox to get the Spectre's link to design.

[Kot]

UFAF-SNB-45 'Tubby Duckling' (0):
Microprocessors (0) :
UF-GEV-45 Ekaterina (1) : 10ebbor10
UFN-SS-45 Archer II (4) : Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, Kashyyk, NAV
UFAF-JB-45 Hammer of Forenia (: eS, Happerry, Jilladilla, Taricus, Conscript Five, Powder Miner, Parsely, Stabby
UFAF-LAB-45 Dustbiter (6) : NUKE9.13, Wizgrot, Andrea, RAM, Madman, Kot
UFAF-HB-45 "Spectre" (1) : Zanzetkuken

Awww.

[Madman198237]

Active sonar is one thing but depth charges were an extremely poor anti-submarine weapon, a more potent threat would be radar equipped long-range patrol aircraft (especially if the Archer II has no snorkel in which case it will be spending a lot of time on the surface), hedgehogs, or deck-launched guided torpedoes.

Depth charges are a highly effective antisubmarine weapon, the issue is always with deployment. In fact, with the exception of self-guiding sonar torpedoes, almost every single weapon used to sink a submarine is a depth charge. The hedgehog is ALSO a type of depth-charge weapon.

I have one wonderful acronym for you, my fine doubting friend:
RATO.

RATO ain't gonna work if the damn thing is too big for the deck altogether.

Alright fine, maybe you can't make EVERYTHING capable of being launched from a carrier deck.

[Kot]

I have one wonderful acronym for you, my fine doubting friend:
RATO.

RATO ain't gonna work if the damn thing is too big for the deck altogether.

I've got an answer for that problem.
SEAPLANES!

[Olith McHuman]

UFAF-SNB-45 'Tubby Duckling' (0):
Microprocessors (0) :
UF-GEV-45 Ekaterina (1) : 10ebbor10
UFN-SS-45 Archer II (4) : Cnidaros, Chiefwaffles, Kashyyk, NAV
UFAF-JB-45 Hammer of Forenia (: eS, Happerry, Jilladilla, Taricus, Conscript Five, Powder Miner, Parsely, Stabby
UFAF-LAB-45 Dustbiter (7) : NUKE9.13, Wizgrot, Andrea, RAM, Madman, Kot, McHuman
UFAF-HB-45 "Spectre" (1) : Zanzetkuken