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Glorious Arstotzka

17 (16%)

Glorious Moskurg

13 (12.3%)

Ingloriously Didn't Play

76 (71.7%)

Total Members Voted: 106

[Kot]

Design wise, it abandons the Advanced Primer Ignition for a simple gas-operated system.

That's a downgrade. API gives higher fire rate and lower recoil.
"According to a United States Army Materiel Command engineering course from 1970, "The advanced primer ignition gun is superior to the simple blowback because of its higher firing rate and lower recoil momentum. However, favorable performance depends on timing that must be precise. A slight delay in primer function, and the gun reverts to a simple blowback without the benefit of a massive bolt and stiffer driving spring to soften the recoil impact. [...] The exacting requirements in design and construction of gun and ammunition reduce this type almost to the point of academic interest only."" We already made it non-complex. We can make it fire various types of ammunition, that's just a flaw with our ammunition and autocannon, not all API (It probably reffers to the time Germans had to rebalance MG FF to fire lighter Minengeschoß shells, but other than that they can happily fire all sorts of regular tracers, AP and HE rounds without problems).

[Madman198237]

I suspect that the autocannon will win, and I'll be fine with that, but I'm going to throw this out there as a revision that we really ought to do.

By the way, whoever mentioned it---This ain't a light cruiser. I updated the identifier a long while ago. It's a heavy cruiser. And it's going to kill them all.

Charger Refit
By slightly lengthening the hull, streamlining it as well, and improving the machinery, the UFS-CA-41 can reach the higher speeds we need from it, while retaining scale of armor and armament.

[10ebbor10]

Design wise, it abandons the Advanced Primer Ignition for a simple gas-operated system.

That's a downgrade. API gives higher fire rate and lower recoil.
"According to a United States Army Materiel Command engineering course from 1970, "The advanced primer ignition gun is superior to the simple blowback because of its higher firing rate and lower recoil momentum. However, favorable performance depends on timing that must be precise. A slight delay in primer function, and the gun reverts to a simple blowback without the benefit of a massive bolt and stiffer driving spring to soften the recoil impact. [...] The exacting requirements in design and construction of gun and ammunition reduce this type almost to the point of academic interest only."" We already made it non-complex. We can make it fire various types of ammunition, that's just a flaw with our ammunition and autocannon, not all API (It probably reffers to the time Germans had to rebalance MG FF to fire lighter Minengeschoß shells, but other than that they can happily fire all sorts of regular tracers, AP and HE rounds without problems).

You make a convincing argument.

I was going of this bit of the wiki

On the other hand, because the design imposes a very close relationship between bolt mass, chamber length, spring strength, ammunition power and rate of fire, in APIB guns high rate of fire and high muzzle velocity tend to be mutually exclusive.

[10ebbor10]

How about this alternative.

UF-AC-41 " Velociraptor"

The AS-AC-18 is our most common weapon, but it has sadly become outdated.  This new, modern variant is designed so that it can be integrated into any of our current designs that use it. It follows the same design principles as previous iterations of the guns, but thanks to modern technology and materials we have made great progress. Better springs, bolts, timing all allow great performance improvements. Fire rate is increased drastically, up to 800 rounds per minute. Muzzle velocity also increases by 25%-50%. In addition all our ammunition has been carefully re-balanced to ensure that all ammo types can be fired from the same gun without recalibration.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

The Velociraptor has my vote.

[NAV]

The autocannon is a good revision, especially since it fixes the ammo flaw. However I believe a new HMG would fill a much larger gap. We currently lack a good HMG, to the point where we're using either a barely portable 20mm autocannon or a rifle caliber LMG where an HMG should be used.

UF-HMG-41 "War Horse"
This is a new HMG based on the M1 Stallion. Many changes were made to make it lighter, more practical, and more effective. The caliber is reduced from 15mm horsekiller to 12mm ponykiller. The barrel is shortened, lightened, and uses shrouded aluminum heat sinks instead of water cooling, and parts of the gun are made of aluminum to save weight. Finally, the rate of fire is increased from 180 to 600 RPM and the erganomics are improved.

If successful, this should replace the M3 Sorraias on most of our vehicles and improve our infantry's machinegun emplacements significantly.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

As I've stated often, we don't have anything that uses a HMG, but we do have several things that use an Autocannon.  Therefore, a HMG wouldn't improve our military as much as an Autocannon would.

[NAV]

We have many things that use a LMG but should be using an HMG, and aren't only because we have no HMG.

[Khan Boyzitbig]

Didn't we dig the M1 out of storage? We do have a HMG its just old is all.

[Madman198237]

It fires slower and possibly even weighs more than the 20mm autocannon.

It's worthless, and needs the revision before it's effective.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

Carrier Overhaul: (0)
Advanced Firing Calculator: (0.0)
Burninator: (0)
UF-AC-41 "Raptor": (7) Azzuro, NUKE9.13, Andrea,10ebbor10, McHuman, Khan Boyzitbig, Stabbt
UF-FTW-41-2 'Conflagration': (1) RAM
Blood Eagle 2.0: (1) Kashyyk

Someone add the Velociraptor to this so I can vote for it

[NAV]

Carrier Overhaul: (0)
Advanced Firing Calculator: (0.0)
Burninator: (0)
UF-AC-41 "Raptor": (7) Azzuro, NUKE9.13, Andrea,10ebbor10, McHuman, Khan Boyzitbig, Stabbt
UF-FTW-41-2 'Conflagration': (1) RAM
Blood Eagle 2.0: (1) Kashyyk
UF-AC-41 "Velociraptor" (2) Zanzetkuken, SMMI
UF-HMG-41 "War Horse" (1) NAV

[andrea]

Carrier Overhaul: (0)
Advanced Firing Calculator: (0.0)
Burninator: (0)
UF-AC-41 "Raptor": (6) Azzuro, NUKE9.13,10ebbor10, McHuman, Khan Boyzitbig, Stabbt
UF-FTW-41-2 'Conflagration': (1) RAM
Blood Eagle 2.0: (1) Kashyyk
UF-AC-41 "Velociraptor" (3) Zanzetkuken, SMMI, Andrea
UF-HMG-41 "War Horse" (1) NAV

[NUKE9.13]

Yeah, alright.

Carrier Overhaul: (0)
Advanced Firing Calculator: (0.0)
Burninator: (0)
UF-AC-41 "Raptor": (5) Azzuro,10ebbor10, McHuman, Khan Boyzitbig, Stabbt
UF-FTW-41-2 'Conflagration': (1) RAM
Blood Eagle 2.0: (1) Kashyyk
UF-AC-41 "Velociraptor" (4) Zanzetkuken, SMMI, Andrea, NUKE9.13
UF-HMG-41 "War Horse" (1) NAV

[10ebbor10]

Carrier Overhaul: (0)
Advanced Firing Calculator: (0.0)
Burninator: (0)
UF-AC-41 "Raptor": (4) Azzuro,, McHuman, Khan Boyzitbig, Stabbt
UF-FTW-41-2 'Conflagration': (1) RAM
Blood Eagle 2.0: (1) Kashyyk
UF-AC-41 "Velociraptor" (5) Zanzetkuken, SMMI, Andrea, NUKE9.13, 10ebbor10
UF-HMG-41 "War Horse" (1) NAV