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Total Members Voted: 106

[10ebbor10]

I can't see how we'd manage that, to be honest.

Cannalla got a research credit  (in hindsight, picking the fickle insane dictator may have been a mistake), they got total naval domination and they have a new technology they get to deploy.

On a side note:

Cannala's first helicopter is driven by a pair of turboshaft engines, each independently controlling one of the two intermeshing rotors

Independently controlled motors controlling 2 intermeshing rotors?

That seems like something that should lead to immediate rotor destruction.

[Sheb]

Well, either we try, or we give up the game and surrender.

[10ebbor10]

While I expect everyone to vote for the inevitable naval design, I will propose an alternative.


UFA-SAB-41

The United Forenian Airforce Speedy Altitude Bomber is the solution to the imagined Cannalan invulnerability. This highly aerodynamic plane, optimized for both range and speed, is propelled by 2 enlarged jet turbines. It uses heated crew suits and pressurized oxygen lines to allow it to operate above the effective altitude of Cannalan fighters, and a bombing sight to ensure it can still bomb effectively from that altitude. It's payload is relatively small, which is not expected to be an issue. The Cannalan's desire for the highly combustible sugar reed, and their general disregard for fire safety, ensures thst the use of incendiary ammunition should burn down the country with ease.
 

[Taricus]

Picking the fickle insane dictator was no mistake. Going 'reee liberalism & democracy' was. We all knew what the consequences of that were but no-one fucking listens because their head is shoved waaaaay up the american's asshole.

Also, the Khorne should still be VE Sensei.

But that being said we need a better design to retake the shores, it's a little late for the cruiser now so we need an advantage to absolutely drive them back from Konstantin & the jungle.

[10ebbor10]

Okay, here's an idea.

UFN-AIPS-41

This tiny submarine is the ideal deployement platform for our torpedoes. It is equiped with 2 forward torpedo tubes, each capable of launching an enlarged version of the Dolphin torpedo againdt enemy vessels. Somewhat uniquely, it's powered by a HTP turbine, allowing it to reach enormously high velocities underwater for prolonged durations of time.

But that'll fail due to overambition.

[helmacon]

Maybe this will finally get through to the asinine "we don't need a navy on an entirely sea based map" people.

[Taricus]

Trust me nothing is going to get through their thick skulls.

[10ebbor10]

Hey, the anti-boat people where right.

The cheapening of Cannalan naval forces would have prevented your cruiser from lowering Cannalan naval domination. Your plan would have failed.

We just couldn't predict that GM would deviate from his written rules, and suddenly introduce a new tier of naval domination for the Cannalan's to screw us over with. Kind of unfair really.

I though the dominate/major advantage was fluff only, considering it had no such effect when it happened in Turn 1.

[andrea]

This level of naval advantage was introduced in turn 1

[10ebbor10]

Not at all.

The name was used, but not the effects.

This is from Turn 1.

Unlike the in the north, Cannalans have some opportunity to intercept Forenian ships, so their forces outnumber the Forenians here.

Compare : Some opportunity to near complete isolation.

For all points and purposes, the concept of naval domination is a newly introduced rule that did not exist before.

[Sheb]

I say ATGM

[Azzuro]

Putting up the Turbohaast proposal again:

UFAF-A41 "Turbohaast"
A dedicated ground-attack aircraft, the Turbohaast builds upon our previous ground-attacker, the F39 Haast. It features two turbofan engines mounted in nacelles above and toward the rear of the aluminium fuselage, reducing debris ingestion. The turbofans have a moderate bypass ratio and offer a greater fuel efficiency than pure turbojets, enabling the Turbohaast to loiter on the battlefield. Each is more powerful than the original V12 piston engine, allowing the plane to fly on one engine if it is not carrying a load, and giving it a two tonne bomb load otherwise. The other major improvement is a centreline-mounted 25mm APIB autocannon, capable of firing at 900 RPM. Other armament is four AS-AC18 autocannons, mounted two per wing.

Other miscellaneous changes are a straight-edge, low-mounted, high aspect-ratio wing, giving it large amounts of lift and low speed manoeuvrability. Foldable wings make it smaller for carrier storage and deployment. The manganese bathtub cockpit protection and self sealing fuel tanks of the Haast are also kept on, and much of the ventral surface of the plane incorporates armour. With experience from the MTA and the Haast, the Turbohaast should be able to withstand large amounts of damage from ground fire and still remain airborne.


Major improvements are the centreline autocannon and the turbofans. Advancements not included (to be saved for Future Jet) are hydraulic control surfaces and afterburners.

We need to push the Cannalans out of the jungle before going naval. The Turbohaast should also help us when we do take the fight back to the seas, replacing older Haasts on our carriers.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Hang on, were their Raiders ever mentioned as helping their landings before?  I don't recall that and only remember seeing the Walruses being used.

[helmacon]

If we need more ground advantage, we could finish the ERA we started years ago...

I vote design new ship, revise radar control.

[andrea]

Reposting the Ekaterina for reference.
We need to go naval now, massive advantage is an hard beast. Their fleet is full of ships large enough to be torpedoes and an ekaterina should be able to do great damage. However, to be effective it would have to be paired with a torpedo revision, dolphin is too small and short ranged.

A benefit of making a cruiser instead would be having the revision available to do something that can help us regain land (like a better autocannon which we can later mount on TURBOHAAST)

UF-GEV-41 "Ekaterina

This is a plane with short, stubby wings. By all rights it shouldn't fly, and in fact it employs an aerodynamic effect known as ground effect to boost its lift and reduce drag, by staying close to the surface.
To retain stability in this region, it uses a T shaped tail, on which a single powerful turboprop engine is mounted.
The aircraft itself is fairly small but has 2 crewmembers: a pilot and a gunner for the Sorraia turret.
Besides the turret the only other weapon it carries is torpedo mounts. Thanks to the reduction in guns, armor, plus the more powerful engine, combined with the benefits of ground effect, should allow it to lift 3 or 4 tons of torpedoes in its tubes.
This strange plane is meant to be deployed as a motor torpedo boat, using its great speed to avoid enemy artillery while it deploys its payload.
Being airborne, it is significantly faster than any boat we could ever deploy.
For the joy of some engineers, it floats when not airborne.