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[helmacon]

Design ERA, revise jet.

[Madman198237]

No ERA right now. Right now, we need to get a jet-carrying CV out there. It will allow us to take back the sea pretty handily. Launching Haasts with two torpedoes ought to make us all but unbeatable.


As for revision, perhaps modify our jet fighter to be more durable? Or carry more armament? I suppose it really depends on what happens with the carrier. If the aircraft isn't capable of launching from the carrier (And the carrier works) then we'll have to revise the jets to have much better acceleration.

[Taricus]

A carrier won't be effective as it could be without the escorts to protect it. And those escorts need cannons.

[Azzuro]

I warned you about weed bro! I told you dog!

But seriously, now the Cannalans have an Expense credit. That's not good. At this point, I think I can call their actions for the turn: make jet fighter, revise jet fighter, use expense credit on jet fighter. They don't have a research credit, but with (some) applicable experience from the turboshaft engine they could make a jet fighter comparable to ours, and given that the Thunderbird's weakness is repeatedly stated to be its numbers, if the Cannalan jet is less expensive we could lose air superiority. Thus, I think we should spend the revision on making the jet engines non-[Complex], bringing the Thunderbird down an expense level. This will also help out any future jet aircraft we make as well.

I like the sound of a new carrier, but what Nuke says is right, steam catapults are anachronistic. We should go for rocket catapult instead, since we already have experience with rockets and it could lead to us making a Rescue Moon Rocket to #BringKotBack. Rocket catapults are a thing at this time, Fighter Catapult Ships already exist and some bright mind will get the idea to extend that to Catapult Aircraft Merchantmen (CAM) as well in less than a year. Rockets will be easier for us than going for a steam catapult at this point in time, and if we're not spending the revision on it as well, best make sure the carrier is no more complicated than it needs to be.

Also, eS, the rockets are on the catapult, not the plane, so our planes won't need to be revised. And it's pretty ridiculous to claim that we'll run out of rockets, after all, we don't seem to be running out rockets for the Sarukh, or avgas for the Haast, or rounds for our AS-AC18s. Logistics isn't a thing in this game.

BTW, at this point I should also mention that every other real-world navy except America and France launch jets only with a ski-ramp with no trouble, so catapults may be a little overkill as well. Nevertheless, I don't think our jets quite have the thrust-to-weight ratio of modern ones yet, so probably better to invest in a catapult for safety as well.

[Kot]

Hello, I'd like to report

Formally legalize marijuana (12): Lightforger, Stabby, Saint, Piratejoe, Powder Miner, helmacon, McHuman, Aedel, Khan Boyzitbig, Funk, Kashyyk, Urist Mc Dwarf

for being traitors to Forenia that worked with Cannalan regime. Secret Police please act.

[Madman198237]

We need a new carrier. If we can't regain some form of naval competitiveness AND air control before they roll out a functioning jet, we'll be in deep trouble. Actually, we gained ground in the jungle. For revision: Reverse engineer a Bull for the jet XP and autoloader?

[Sheb]

I'm confused can't we already launch Haast from carrier? Or just with reduced load?

[andrea]

we can launch it, but only without torpedoes

[Sheb]

Well, we just need to add a hook to the Haast, have it take off then use the hook to grab the torpedoes one by one during a second and third pass. No way it could go wrong.

[Taricus]

Thinking about it, the Cannalans lack any sort of dive or tactical bomber. While they may gain air superiority in a design they have nothing to take advantage of it.

Moreover, we need to secure our shores before being able to push them back, and a 300mm cannon would be the perfect thing for it. We'd be able to more easily upgun and arm any future naval designs as well.

B3 'Compensator' 300mm Coastal Gun/Naval Cannon: Proposed to both defend Forenia's shores and provide a base gun design for any future naval vessels, the aptly named 'Compensator' cannon aims to utterly outrange and outdamage the Khorne-Class cruisers fielded by the cannalans. In it's land form however, the cannon is still mounted in a turret as a defensive emplacement, with two cannons per turret.

The cannons itself relies on cased charges which in turn depend on hydraulic rammer and features a hydro-pneumatic recoil compensation system.

[Sheb]

That won't help in the plains would it? Not mobile enough.

[Taricus]

The plains, I figure, are lost to us. We wouldn't be able to develop enough things to push back there in time.

[Sheb]

Also, looking at the disparity in ships, I'm not 100% sure we can do anything with just a CV: we're lacking all categories of ships...

[Kot]

Also, looking at the disparity in ships, I'm not 100% sure we can do anything with just a CV: we're lacking all categories of ships...

Which is exactly why we shouldn't get into a pissing match trying to match their navy directly. If we make a cruiser, they will make better cruiser. If we make a battleship, they will make a better battleship, or a submarine, or other design that will counter ours, and to gain any parity in first place we'd need to spend few turns on it, so basically that would make us hand Cannalans few spare turns of designs.

Also, regarding carriers - if not a catamaran, what about double decker carrier? Something that was actually done.

[10ebbor10]

You guys are forgetting something.

Design difficulty is based on both experience and the time in the world. This means that new designs now can easily overcome old design of them, no matter how much experience they have, Because their ships are simply outdated.

And sure, they can outclass you again, but never to the same margin.

To use some numbers :

The current Khorne Battleship (which is not a battleship) was build in 1931.
A Forenian counter would be build with tech from 1940.

So, the new ship has 9 years of technological advantage, making for a relatively simple design.

Of course, the enemy retaliates, and builds a ship, with the tech of 1940-1941.

Because of the time component in technological innovation, the enemy can never outclass you again to the same degree as they do now, because they hit a technological limit.