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Glorious Arstotzka

17 (16%)

Glorious Moskurg

13 (12.3%)

Ingloriously Didn't Play

76 (71.7%)

Total Members Voted: 106

[evictedSaint]

We could side with the axis and double cross them or use clandestine means to free those in need, or if the major powers ask us to aid them we can make demands of greater value or something.
We could use our embassies as part of the underground railroad and liberate the Jews(and others) (or as many as possible) and sabotage the axis if we wanted to be good guys while reaping the best benefits we can.

I personally see nothing wrong with stabbing villains in the back.

The thing is, we'll never end up doing that unless it strictly benefits us. 

If the event comes up "lose 1 ore for a turn to assassinate Hitler" we won't do it because of our fucking "anything for a +1" mentality.

[Taricus]

Welcome to the world of realpolitik Evicted.

[evictedSaint]

Enjoy selling your soul, Taricus.

[RAM]

Spoiler: We really should drop the moral debate. It will go to bad places. If we really want to go there, then let's stick to cultural differences and make no moral judgements beyond "Those disgusting Germans called our rockets inferior! THEY MUST ALL DIE!!!" (click to show/hide)

We can be evil if we want to.

But I don't want to side with the evil guys.  This happens every Arms Race game, they always end up committing war crimes and siding with the most evil people they can for the most trivial of advantages.  At this point I know I can't stop us from siding with them, but I want the record to show I fought this as best I could.

What are we going to do when Japan asks for assistance bombing pearl harbor?  What are we going to do when Germany asks us to send bombers to help hit civilian targets?  What are we going to do when the end of the war rolls around and the Allies start hitting us with war reparations?  And before you say "this is alternate history" think; do we really want the Axis to win?

Those are terrible examples. When The nazis ask for our jews, then we have a problem, but we probably have appalling census data and couldn't find them even if we wanted to. We don't even know how many Foreinians are currently in orbit...
As for Pearl Harbour? We do the same thing we would for firebombing Tokyo, or stalling the communists so that U.S.A. can finish the bomb before Japan falls. And Germany may have formalised the bombing of civilians at London, but the Allies redefined it with the carpet-bombing of pretty much everything. And The Nazis were just ordinary people, caught up in an ideology that seemed like a good idea at the time. I am confident that many people you know would have been Nazis if they had been in Nazgul Germany. And let's not forget that one of the great arguments for joining the Allies was that sitting by and doing nothing while evil spreads is amoral failing. That is exactly what the Nazis claimed, and they had no shortage of conviction nor courage in taking on the whole world in order to rid it of evil. Now, granted, they had some EXTREMELY dubious ideas about the nature of evil but had they somehow been correct then they would have been tragic heroes. In my experience the closest you will ever come to a legitimate use of the term "evil" is to describe something that believes that it has the authority to proclaim that something else is "evil". Everything else is just various flavours of mistakes and a general lack of consideration.

[Taricus]

Enjoy selling your soul, Taricus.

I did that ages ago. So effectively I can't sell it again as that would be a scam, which is wrong

[piratejoe]

We should kill hitler, then the Axis have a better chance at surviving.

[Mardent23]

Alternatively, we could fight our own battles before getting involved in  others.

[Hibou]

Add three points to your first choice, two points to your second choice, and one point to your third. Highest points win I've taken everyone's 3-point choice in already, so if you voted in the old votebox just add your second and third choices, and remove your name from the list at bottom.

ALLIES(35)
3 points: ( Powder Miner, Stabby, Lightforger, Madman198237, Piratejoe, evictedSaint, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
2 points: (4) Azzuro, Taricus, S34N1C, Hibou
1 point: (7) Andrea, Kot, helmacon, NUKE9.13, Kashyyk, Taricus, RAM

AXIS(45)
3 points: (12) Taricus, NUKE9.13, RAM, Andrea, NAV, strongpoint, Baffler, Kot, S34N1C, GUNINANRUNIN, helmacon, Kashyyk
2 points: (1) Piratejoe
1 point (7) Azzuro, evictedSaint, Hibou, Powder Miner, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig, Stabby

COMINTERN(43)
3 points: (5) Mulisa, VoidSlayer, Azzuro, Chiefwaffles, Hibou
2 points: (11) Andrea, NUKE9.13, Kot, helmacon, evictedSaint, Kashyyk, Powder Miner, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig, RAM, Stabby, Lightforger
1 point: (3) Piratejoe, Taricus, S34N1C

List of people who haven't put second and third choices: Madman198237, NAV, strongpoint, Baffler, GUNINANRUNIN, Mulisa, VoidSlayer, Chiefwaffles

Upon further consideration getting an island without having to push a front sounds pretty nice.

[Taricus]

Alternatively, we could fight our own battles before getting involved in  others.

Only if we vote axis though!

[piratejoe]

Add three points to your first choice, two points to your second choice, and one point to your third. Highest points win I've taken everyone's 3-point choice in already, so if you voted in the old votebox just add your second and third choices, and remove your name from the list at bottom.

ALLIES(34)
3 points: ( Powder Miner, Stabby, Lightforger, Madman198237, evictedSaint, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
2 points: (5) Azzuro, Taricus, S34N1C, Hibou, Piratejoe
1 point: (7) Andrea, Kot, helmacon, NUKE9.13, Kashyyk, Taricus, RAM

AXIS(46)
3 points: (13) Taricus, NUKE9.13, RAM, Andrea, NAV, strongpoint, Baffler, Kot, S34N1C, GUNINANRUNIN, helmacon, Kashyyk, Piratejoe
2 points: (1)
1 point (7) Azzuro, evictedSaint, Hibou, Powder Miner, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig, Stabby

COMINTERN(43)
3 points: (5) Mulisa, VoidSlayer, Azzuro, Chiefwaffles, Hibou
2 points: (11) Andrea, NUKE9.13, Kot, helmacon, evictedSaint, Kashyyk, Powder Miner, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig, RAM, Stabby, Lightforger
1 point: (3) Piratejoe, Taricus, S34N1C

List of people who haven't put second and third choices: Madman198237, NAV, strongpoint, Baffler, GUNINANRUNIN, Mulisa, VoidSlayer, Chiefwaffles

Upon further consideration, ANYTHING BUT COMMUNISM!!!

[RAM]

Wow, Comintern is really chowing down on those second votes.

[andrea]

it seems allies and axis are so reviled by each other that we prefer communists to rule instead.
Interesting times.

[piratejoe]

They wont rule us, not on my watch, not in my war.

[NAV]

Can you please add my second vote to communism and third to allies? Thanks! I'm on phone and cannot format properly.

[andrea]

Add three points to your first choice, two points to your second choice, and one point to your third. Highest points win I've taken everyone's 3-point choice in already, so if you voted in the old votebox just add your second and third choices, and remove your name from the list at bottom.

ALLIES(35)
3 points: ( Powder Miner, Stabby, Lightforger, Madman198237, evictedSaint, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
2 points: (5) Azzuro, Taricus, S34N1C, Hibou, Piratejoe
1 point: (7) Andrea, Kot, helmacon, NUKE9.13, Kashyyk, Taricus, RAM, NAV

AXIS(46)
3 points: (13) Taricus, NUKE9.13, RAM, Andrea, NAV, strongpoint, Baffler, Kot, S34N1C, GUNINANRUNIN, helmacon, Kashyyk, Piratejoe
2 points: (1)
1 point (7) Azzuro, evictedSaint, Hibou, Powder Miner, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig, Stabby

COMINTERN(45)
3 points: (5) Mulisa, VoidSlayer, Azzuro, Chiefwaffles, Hibou
2 points: (11) Andrea, NUKE9.13, Kot, helmacon, evictedSaint, Kashyyk, Powder Miner, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig, RAM, Stabby, Lightforger, NAV
1 point: (3) Piratejoe, Taricus, S34N1C

List of people who haven't put second and third choices: Madman198237, NAV, strongpoint, Baffler, GUNINANRUNIN, Mulisa, VoidSlayer, Chiefwaffles

Upon further consideration, ANYTHING BUT COMMUNISM!!!