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Glorious Arstotzka

17 (16%)

Glorious Moskurg

13 (12.3%)

Ingloriously Didn't Play

76 (71.7%)

Total Members Voted: 106

[Khan Boyzitbig]

STRATEGY
11 Attack the plains: Powder Miner, Taricus, Piratejoe, NUKE9.13,Stabby, Andrea, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
11 Attack the jungle: Powder Miner, Taricus, Piratejoe, NUKE9.13,Stabby, Andrea, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
9 Don't deploy the ERA: Powder Miner, Taricus, Andrea, Piratejoe, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig

DIPLOMACY
10 Join the Allies: Powder Miner, Stabby, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, Piratejoe, S34N1C, evictedSaint, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
4 --Send them the Stinger: Stabby, VoidSlayer
3 --Send them the RDN-39-2 "DEADLIER RAY": Lightforger, Baffler, Hibou
1 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237
4 --Send them the Dolphin: Powder Miner, evictedSaint, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig

7 Join the Axis: Taricus, NUKE9.13, RAM, Andrea, NAV, strongpoint, Baffler
3 --Send the Axis the RPG28A: Taricus, Andrea, strongpoint
0 --Send the Reckless Effect:
2 --Send the Tiger Armour: Piratejoe, NAV
1 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237

4 Join Comintern: Mulisa, VoidSlayer, Azzuro, Chiefwaffles
2 --Send Stinger: Mulisa, VoidSlayer
1 --Send AS-AR34: Azzuro
1 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237

The allies would prefer to have a democracy join them than a dictatorship. We can always apologise for invading Myark and state that we did not have the time to go through the peaceful way due to the war.

[Kot]

4 --Send them the Stinger: Stabby, VoidSlayer

They already have way better ones at least in prototype stages.

3 --Send them the RDN-39-2 "DEADLIER RAY": Lightforger, Baffler, Hibou

No point, their radars are more advanced in literally every way.

1 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237

They might not see too much use of it, but eh.

4 --Send them the Dolphin: Powder Miner, evictedSaint, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig

The Dolphin is equivalent of American Mark XIII, although the late versions, so I suppose that is something we would be ahead of them.

3 --Send the Axis the RPG28A: Taricus, Andrea, strongpoint

Might be really useful in countering enemy tanks.

0 --Send the Reckless Effect:

Meh. They have better ones.

2 --Send the Tiger Armour: Piratejoe, NAV

They don't need it. I like the idea of Nazis in power armour, but it won't work.

1 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237

Would utterly pulverize the Russian walls of tanks.

2 --Send Stinger: Mulisa, VoidSlayer

They do like using foreign planes, I give you that.

1 --Send AS-AR34: Azzuro

Mein Gott...

1 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237

Would be just giving them PTABs few years ahead.

So...

STRATEGY
11 Attack the plains: Powder Miner, Taricus, Piratejoe, NUKE9.13,Stabby, Andrea, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
11 Attack the jungle: Powder Miner, Taricus, Piratejoe, NUKE9.13,Stabby, Andrea, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
9 Don't deploy the ERA: Powder Miner, Taricus, Andrea, Piratejoe, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
1 Deploy the ERA: Kot

DIPLOMACY
10 Join the Allies: Powder Miner, Stabby, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, Piratejoe, S34N1C, evictedSaint, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
4 --Send them the Stinger: Stabby, VoidSlayer
3 --Send them the RDN-39-2 "DEADLIER RAY": Lightforger, Baffler, Hibou
1 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237
4 --Send them the Dolphin: Powder Miner, evictedSaint, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig

8 Join the Axis: Taricus, NUKE9.13, RAM, Andrea, NAV, strongpoint, Baffler, Kot
3 --Send the Axis the RPG28A: Taricus, Andrea, strongpoint
0 --Send the Reckless Effect:
2 --Send the Tiger Armour: Piratejoe, NAV
2 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237, Kot

4 Join Comintern: Mulisa, VoidSlayer, Azzuro, Chiefwaffles
2 --Send Stinger: Mulisa, VoidSlayer
1 --Send AS-AR34: Azzuro
1 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237

[andrea]

Kot, try to convince people to vote for the axis! we are losing by 2 votes.

[NUKE9.13]

The allies would prefer to have a democracy join them than a dictatorship. We can always apologise for invading Myark and state that we did not have the time to go through the peaceful way due to the war.

"Sorry we invaded your island, but we really really needed it."
I'm sure that'll go down great.

Seriously, though, Sensei stated that if we join the Allies they will probably make us pay reparations for Myark, possibly in the form of Ore shipments for X years. Are you really willing to pay that cost? For what benefit? Expense credits? We don't need expense credits. An espionage credit is miles better than an expense credit, and a research credit is better still (stealing their tech will still cost us a revision to rejig the measurements into Glorious Metric, and besides, wouldn't you rather have new things?)

[andrea]

Of the 3, allies seem the worst choice. Comintern would be far better, and I believe axis better still.

[Azzuro]

Would like to note to the Allies voters that our invasion of Myark made the British Empire reconsider their policy of appeasement. They were literally considering going to war with us, I don't think we can get away with joining the Allies scot-free, not without paying reparations which would completely undermine the point of us invading Myark in the first place.

[andrea]

An expense credit would not compensate, not in the slightest, the enormous losses we would get from losing myark's ore even for just a couple of turns.
Plus, if the allies thing is logistics and economical support... that is not what we need. All our stuff is cheap anyway, so what do they give us?
Espionage and research are far more important. And so far, it seems 12 people agree on this, although they can't decide a faction to join. Probably, ranked voting of some kind would have been useful here.

[3_14159]

Espionage and research are far more important. And so far, it seems 12 people agree on this, although they can't decide a faction to join. Probably, ranked voting of some kind would have been useful here.

By that same logic,
12 people don't want Allies,
14 people don't want Axis, and
18 people don't want Comintern.
(Just saying)

[andrea]

Indeed. Just saying, it is not completely decided yet. May need to cut it due to game timing reasons, but it would be nice to have a more definitive lead.

[S34N1C]

STRATEGY
11 Attack the plains: Powder Miner, Taricus, Piratejoe, NUKE9.13,Stabby, Andrea, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
11 Attack the jungle: Powder Miner, Taricus, Piratejoe, NUKE9.13,Stabby, Andrea, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
9 Don't deploy the ERA: Powder Miner, Taricus, Andrea, Piratejoe, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
1 Deploy the ERA: Kot

DIPLOMACY
9 Join the Allies: Powder Miner, Stabby, Hibou, Lightforger, Madman198237, Piratejoe, evictedSaint, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig
4 --Send them the Stinger: Stabby, VoidSlayer
3 --Send them the RDN-39-2 "DEADLIER RAY": Lightforger, Baffler, Hibou
1 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237
4 --Send them the Dolphin: Powder Miner, evictedSaint, 3_14159, Khan Boyzitbig

9 Join the Axis: Taricus, NUKE9.13, RAM, Andrea, NAV, strongpoint, Baffler, Kot, S34N1C
3 --Send the Axis the RPG28A: Taricus, Andrea, strongpoint
0 --Send the Reckless Effect:
2 --Send the Tiger Armour: Piratejoe, NAV
2 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237, Kot

4 Join Comintern: Mulisa, VoidSlayer, Azzuro, Chiefwaffles
2 --Send Stinger: Mulisa, VoidSlayer
1 --Send AS-AR34: Azzuro
1 --Send them the Firecracker (+ all of its variants): Madman198237

Fuck it, Axis here we come

[Azzuro]

S34N1C, have you considered voting Comintern? If the Cannalans join the Allies they will get their French Colony Island without resistance while we'll have to fight for Communist Desert Island to get its resources, putting us at a disadvantage.

[andrea]

Do we actually know that joining a side gets you the island?

[NUKE9.13]

Sensei has stated that joining an alliance may eventually lead to getting their island, yes.
However, A)We don't need the oil, and B)There may well be times when we have nowhere to attack, because we need to land troops on a new island but don't have sufficient naval presence to do so safely.

[Azzuro]

Neither of them should be a military challenge, but they will still take two turns to conquer and count as one of the fronts on which you can attack during your turn. You might also gain access to their resources if you join the relevant international alliance later, but this will take longer than just annexing them.

If Cominterm would get us a free territory, then I can't really argue against that, unless my brief moment of lucidity passes... If we get confirmation on that, then I guess someone can changemy voteto cominterm if they care to.

P.S. Has it really been 300 posts since the last turn?

We will gain the resources, but this will take longer than just annexing. However, having two extra chances to advance (one front advantage over the two turns needed to conquer an island) is nothing to sneeze at, considering that may turn the tide in the centre where the resources are.

If we annex and Cannala diplo-vassalises, they will be able to launch twice the attacks that we can. Not to mention that we'll also have to spend a design/revision on more TC.

Top of previous page. If we didn't, I'm not sure why there's even a debate about all this, rather than going for the third side and conquering both islands as the only reasonable option.

[andrea]

Well, people voted to invade the allies and are still voting to join allies so...

anyway, Sensei said "might" and "long time". Considering our lack of need of oil... I am willing to give up on diplo annexing. besides, hwo knows how much it will cost us.