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Which team did you play in the last game?

Glorious Arstotzka
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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5175 on: September 16, 2017, 06:30:49 am »

But anyway, I fear this discussion is fruitless. You appear perfectly willing to ignore any and all flaws in your design.
"days" is not a gun battle, that is a protracted strategic skirmish, and there will be extensive losses in that time, and railguns have faster projectiles with flatter trajectories and less distance correction. There is a difference between ignoring flaws and assuming that something cannot be practical in a highly speculative game just because it wasn't explored in history. Would it be difficult? Yes! Would it work? Deathball? What of submarines? In practice, submarines are massively lethal against merchant shipping. If we built a submarine it would likely drop their benefits from naval advantage by two levels regardless of what they did about it short of some sort of catastrophic intelligence failure, but have almost no effect on determining naval advantage. But within the game's context it is all fleet battles, so all your submarines are clustered around your fleets, trying to weave between escorts to dump torpedoes into battleships in the midst of a battle.

Railguns are actually very similar to explosive reactive armour. Both use what is, basically, existing elements. Both have performance requirements which are rather difficult to get right. The E.R.A. has the difficulty of detonating without damaging what it is protecting, without chain-reacting, and without detonating on impacts that are far too weak to pose any threat.That ekes your performance specifications up to the level that it starts requiring some development. railguns need some development of power systems and equipment wear, but produce clearly superior muzzle-velocity. And if we can come up with a solution, even a not-particularly-realistic one, such as having rails be a conductive paint over a resin backing and thus can just be painted back on after they wear off, then there is a decent chance that it will actually work...

I am not advocating railguns out of some antagonistic glee over throwing science fiction into a W.W.II game, I am just trying to find something somewhat interesting, rather than proposals that are little more than links to or paraphrasings of wikipaedia articles. I mean, if we are going to crib historic designs, let's do it honestly. How about we spend a design purchasing a single Yamato-class and have it as a fixed national effort?
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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5176 on: September 16, 2017, 07:00:58 am »

Alright, so, the way I see it, we either revise blood eagle, or we get the Supernova....Im inclined to fix blood eagle and then next turn get supernova as the blood eagle needs to be as good as possible, we should make it not destroy the whole side of a tank and only detonate the single plate that is hit and possibly not destroy the mounts too.
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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5177 on: September 16, 2017, 10:27:08 am »

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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5178 on: September 16, 2017, 01:16:12 pm »

I'm inclined to finally fix our issues with the Z and project our air power more thoroughly on the seas.

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Revision: Z-Carrier Overhaul

The expensive and smoke-producing rocket-catapults on the Z defeat the purpose of being able to rapidly launch aircraft, which has hurt our capabilities on the seas for years.  The rocket-pults are switched over to the more commonly-used steam catapults to facilitate rapid airpower deployment.  In order to appease the PAROI Party, the steam catapults will officially be referred to as "Steam-Powered Rocket Catapults".

Additionally, the rope suspension used to store aircraft in the rafters is switched over to modular steel bar mountings, which should prevent the ridiculous problems with aircraft swinging around and damaging themselves during ordinary maneuvers.

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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5179 on: September 16, 2017, 01:50:16 pm »

I will never vote for the removal of rockets.
Better rockets with less smoke and better filtration maybe.
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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5180 on: September 16, 2017, 01:52:55 pm »

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Z-Carrier Overhaul(1) : 10ebbor10

Naval power matters. We need to keep punching in that direction so that we may finally move forward.
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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5181 on: September 16, 2017, 02:01:43 pm »

I will never vote for the removal of rockets.
Better rockets with less smoke and better filtration maybe.

I tweaked it to reflect these concerns.

I'm inclined to finally fix our issues with the Z and project our air power more thoroughly on the seas.

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Revision: Z-Carrier Overhaul

The expensive and smoke-producing rocket-catapults on the Z defeat the purpose of being able to rapidly launch aircraft, which has hurt our capabilities on the seas for years.  The rocket-pults are switched over to the more commonly-used steam catapults to facilitate rapid airpower deployment.  In order to appease the PAROI Party, the steam catapults will officially be referred to as "Steam-Powered Rocket Catapults".

Additionally, the rope suspension used to store aircraft in the rafters is switched over to modular steel bar mountings, which should prevent the ridiculous problems with aircraft swinging around and damaging themselves during ordinary maneuvers.


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1 - UF-BID-41 Supernova: NAV
2 - Z-Carrier Overhaul: 10ebbor10, evictedSaint
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« Reply #5182 on: September 16, 2017, 02:36:35 pm »

I should also like to suggest that refining steam power is unlikely to help at all, while revising rocket catapult exhaust to be nicer to work with would potentially help with other uses of rockets.
Also that steam catapults require an extensive pipe system that could be damaged, while a rocket catapult pretty well just needs a pile of harmless rocket fuel that can be plugged into the system prior to launch, and won't have any issues with a premature launch being underpowered and causing a splash.
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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5183 on: September 16, 2017, 02:47:30 pm »

Blood Eagle Repairs - The plating of the blood eagle is modified so that it is shaped so most of the explosive force detonates outwards only rather than with equal force in all directions, preventing damage to the mounting and detonating neighboring plates.



Granted, I haven't looked far in on the tech so I don't know how effective this would be.  I recall working on a tech with new designs can result in losing the [complex] tag as a side effect, but even if I'm misremembering it, the mounting damaging and the detonating of neighboring plates is likely linked by one cause, so if we can fix that, we got something fairly good.



UF-RAC-42 "Martial Eagle"
A hybridization of the technology of the Moskurg Recoilless Rifles and the UF-AC-41 Velociraptor.  The firing mechanism is a larger scaled implimentation of the UF-AC-41 Velociraptor's Advanced Primer Ignition system, that is slightly modified to incorporate the technology of the Moskurg Recoilless Rifles to reduce recoil, and fires at a rate of 250 rounds per minute.  The weapon has a two meter barrel and is belt-fed with 55mm rounds.  The recoilless autocannon is designed to be mounted in UF-39-APC "Salamander" Pattern Bs, T2 Breakers, AS-T33s, and similar armored vehicles as an alternative to their regular cannons as an alternate turret configuration.



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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5184 on: September 16, 2017, 03:29:35 pm »

Change the method of attachment from welding to, I dunno, screwing it or banging it with nails onto the tank will probably make replacement much easier.
Of course, this could lead to side-effects of newborn tanks and side armour falling off.
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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5185 on: September 16, 2017, 03:31:52 pm »

Can the ERA go on aircraft or boats?
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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5186 on: September 16, 2017, 03:36:34 pm »

On aircrafts, it's not really that good idea. Relatively heavy, some places can't be covered because of damage, and exploding in flight isin't a great idea.
Boats, ye, I suppose, although it probably wouldn't do much against naval cannons.
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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5187 on: September 16, 2017, 03:40:21 pm »

The haast and reckless could probably handle it.
The Archer would probably benefit from it.
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Re: Intercontinental Arms Race: Summer 1942 (Revision Phase)
« Reply #5188 on: September 16, 2017, 03:43:51 pm »

harmless rocket fuel

And just 'plugging it into the system'

There are advantages to rocket-assisted takeoff systems, but they aren't replacements for catapults in themselves.
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« Reply #5189 on: September 16, 2017, 03:49:05 pm »

2 metres feels short for a barrel. In calibres it is, umm, 36.363636..., or a 55 L/36.
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Change the method of attachment from welding to, I dunno, screwing it or banging it with nails onto the tank will probably make replacement much easier.
Of course, this could lead to side-effects of newborn tanks and side armour falling off.
Screws would distort their sockets when blown off. Nails into a tank's armour sounds difficult. Velcro would melt : ( . Negative pressure is prone to failure. Magnets! Electromagnets!! Glorious electrical revolution!!! Put a motor/magnet circuit in it!!!! First in Circuitry!!!!!
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