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[evictedSaint]

If we do go with a new tank (and I'm not sure we should) should we make it amphibeous (aka give it a snorkle)?

[10ebbor10]

Do snorkles work in mud?

[Taricus]

We could, but making the engine airtight to be snorkled would impact on the engine's ability to radiate heat and under ventilated, and fixing that may make it that little bit more expensive. And even then, it might be a little more fire prone still.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

If we are talking about tanks, here's the Apocalypse patterns that are somewhat decent, updated to have the 41 rather than the 18 autocannon.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse" Pattern A
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a V12 engine, taken from the Haast.  It uses a 110mm gun with an autoloader as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a desired minimum firing speed of ten rounds per minute and is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia.  The turret is armored with 175mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor, and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 125mm sloped RHA, has 85mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull, and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads.

UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse" Pattern B
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a V12 engine, taken from the Haast.  It uses a 110mm gun as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a desired minimum firing speed of eight rounds per minute and is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia.  The turret is armored with 175mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor, and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 125mm sloped RHA, has 85mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull, and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads.

UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse" Pattern C
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a V12 engine, taken from the Haast.  It uses a 130mm gun with an autoloader as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a desired minimum firing speed of nine rounds per minute and is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia.  The turret is armored with 175mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor, and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 125mm sloped RHA, has 85mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull, and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads.

UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse" Pattern D
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a V12 engine, taken from the Haast.  It uses a 130mm gun as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a desired minimum firing speed of seven rounds per minute and is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia.  The turret is armored with 175mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor, and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 125mm sloped RHA, has 85mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull, and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads.


UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse" Pattern E
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a V12 engine, taken from the Haast.  It uses a shortened B2 Destroyer with an autoloader as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a desired minimum firing speed of ten rounds per minute and is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia.  The turret is armored with 175mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor, and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 125mm sloped RHA, has 85mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull, and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads.

UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse" Pattern F
A Heavy Tank, this monster utilizes a V12 engine, taken from the Haast.  It uses a shortened B2 Destroyer as its primary armament mounted within a electronic traversal turret, with a desired minimum firing speed of eight rounds per minute and is also armed with a coaxial mounted UF-AC41 and a pintle mounted M3 Sorraia.  The turret is armored with 175mm of sloped Rolled Homogenous Armor, and while the main body is not armored to the same degree, it's frontal hull is still heavily armored with 125mm sloped RHA, has 85mm of armor upon the sides and rear hull, and has 40mm of armor in armored skirts protecting the base of the turret and the treads.

[NUKE9.13]

So, guided missiles are liable to be shit. But we could perhaps improve our un-guided missiles (AKA rockets).

UF-A(A/T)R-41 'Saltstriker': PAROI! Glorious Forenian engineering has produced this new-ish weapon, the Saltstriker rocket system. A descendant of the Sarukh, Saltstriker rockets are smaller, and have a shorter range, but improved accuracy. Available in both Anti Air and Anti Tank versions (with the anti-tank versions being slightly larger). The Saltstriker is a simple steel tube, with flip-out fins that deploy after launching. The AA version has a range of ~1000m, the AT version ~2500m. The AA version has a ~500g simple explosive charge, the AT a ~1.5kg shaped charge.
Simple pods containing a dozen AA rockets, or four AT ones, can be attached to hardpoints on planes, or mounted on vehicles such as the Salamander (with multiple pods per plane/vehicle, according to their capacity)

[Azzuro]

Ana-G.A.P.-1941-D.F.A. Kriegblitz antimateriel rifle: 0
UFAF-A41 "Turbohaast": 1 Azzuro
UF-ERA-41 "Blood Eagle": 0
UF-ATGM-41 Saltseeker' Pattern A: 0
UFS-41-W 'Virgil': 0
RDN-41-3 "DEADLIEST RAY": 0
UF-MT-41 'Demolisher': 0
UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse"
Pattern A: 0
Pattern B: 0
Pattern C: 0
Pattern D: 0
Pattern E: 0
Pattern F: 0
UF-A(A/T)R-41 'Saltstriker': 0

[Taricus]

Ana-G.A.P.-1941-D.F.A. Kriegblitz antimateriel rifle: 0
UFAF-A41 "Turbohaast": 1 Azzuro
UF-ERA-41 "Blood Eagle": 0
UF-ATGM-41 Saltseeker' Pattern A: 0
UFS-41-W 'Virgil': 0
RDN-41-3 "DEADLIEST RAY": 0
UF-MT-41 'Demolisher': (1) Taricus
UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse"
Pattern A: 0
Pattern B: 0
Pattern C: 0
Pattern D: 0
Pattern E: 0
Pattern F: 0
UF-A(A/T)R-41 'Saltstriker': 0

[10ebbor10]

UF-ATR41 A  "Firefly":

Designed primarily anti-tank rocket for use by planes against ground targets, the ATR41 is a versatile weapon derived partially from our SARUKH launcher. The rockets are scaled down somewhat compared to the Sarukh, clocking in at an impressive 50 kg. It utilizes a powerful rocket engine to propel the round at speeds exceeding the speed of sound, while base hinged fins deploy from the sides to stabilize rocket.

The burn time of the rocket is far shorter than that of the Sarukh, giving an effective range of about 2-3 kilometers. On the other, the weapon profits from this by having an extra large warhead, and hence a considerable punch.

Three different warheads are present. In order of importance, a massive HEAT warhead capable of easily penetrating very heavy armor to the being a significant threat to small naval combatents. In addition to that, it has a Sarukh derived HE warhead intended for anti-ground use, and a lighter HE warhead with a timed fuse intended for use against bombers, helicopters or planes.

Although Firefly missiles are intended primarily for air-to-ground  combat, they can be fitted on ground vehicles as well.

[10ebbor10]

Ana-G.A.P.-1941-D.F.A. Kriegblitz antimateriel rifle: 0
UFAF-A41 "Turbohaast": 1 Azzuro
UF-ERA-41 "Blood Eagle": 0
UF-ATGM-41 Saltseeker' Pattern A: 0
UFS-41-W 'Virgil': 0
RDN-41-3 "DEADLIEST RAY": 0
UF-MT-41 'Demolisher': (1) Taricus
UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse"
Pattern A: 0
Pattern B: 0
Pattern C: 0
Pattern D: 0
Pattern E: 0
Pattern F: 0
UF-A(A/T)R-41 'Saltstriker': 10ebbor10
UF-ATR41 A  "Firefly"

[Sheb]

Ana-G.A.P.-1941-D.F.A. Kriegblitz antimateriel rifle: 0
UFAF-A41 "Turbohaast": 1 Azzuro
UF-ERA-41 "Blood Eagle": 0
UF-ATGM-41 Saltseeker' Pattern A: 0
UFS-41-W 'Virgil': 0
RDN-41-3 "DEADLIEST RAY": 0
UF-MT-41 'Demolisher': (1) Taricus
UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse"
Pattern A: 0
Pattern B: 0
Pattern C: 0
Pattern D: 0
Pattern E: 0
Pattern F: 0
(1) UF-A(A/T)R-41 'Saltstriker': 10ebbor10
(1) UF-ATR41 A  "Firefly":Sheb

You didn't vote for your own design 10ebbor?

[Madman198237]

Got to mention that most of the rocket variants, with the possible exception of ebbor's supersonic Firefly, are not worth a design action. Instead, they're more of a revision type thing.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

You know what, by specifying that they can go on ground vehicles, we could mount Ebbor's design on the Salamanders.  We would have made a Bradley...

I'm voting for it.

Ana-G.A.P.-1941-D.F.A. Kriegblitz antimateriel rifle: 0
UFAF-A41 "Turbohaast": 1 Azzuro
UF-ERA-41 "Blood Eagle": 0
UF-ATGM-41 Saltseeker' Pattern A: 0
UFS-41-W 'Virgil': 0
RDN-41-3 "DEADLIEST RAY": 0
UF-MT-41 'Demolisher': (1) Taricus
UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse"
Pattern A: 0
Pattern B: 0
Pattern C: 0
Pattern D: 0
Pattern E: 0
Pattern F: 0
(1) UF-A(A/T)R-41 'Saltstriker': 10ebbor10
(2) UF-ATR41 A  "Firefly":Sheb, Zanzetkuken

[piratejoe]

Ana-G.A.P.-1941-D.F.A. Kriegblitz antimateriel rifle: 0
UFAF-A41 "Turbohaast": 2 Azzuro, Piratejoe
UF-ERA-41 "Blood Eagle": 0
UF-ATGM-41 Saltseeker' Pattern A: 0
UFS-41-W 'Virgil': 0
RDN-41-3 "DEADLIEST RAY": 0
UF-MT-41 'Demolisher': (1) Taricus
UF-HT-41 "Apocalypse"
Pattern A: 0
Pattern B: 0
Pattern C: 0
Pattern D: 0
Pattern E: 0
Pattern F: 0
(1) UF-A(A/T)R-41 'Saltstriker': 10ebbor10
(2) UF-ATR41 A  "Firefly":Sheb, Zanzetkuken

As much as I would like to have a good Bradley, TURBOHAAST

[Azzuro]

BRRRRRRRRRT

Do you hear that, folks? That's the sound of a Turbohaast, and there's a man who understand the power of Magic. Double the engines, double the tonnes of bombs, double the ship-killing torpedo power, vote Turbohaast today!

[10ebbor10]

Nevermind