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[somemildmanneredidiot]

We should do a Saltseeker System soon. Not now, but soon. It has a lot of use and potential.

[RAM]

I would argue that rockets would be just as effective, if not more, but I understand why people are enticed by the AC.

I'm not much of a gun expert - would a 20 mm be large enough to pen? Can we get it at a high enough velocity with ww2 tech to do that reliably?

I do not know enough either. And it is difficult because it is from a high angle and the 'plane's velocity adds to things. I wouldn't say that reliable penetration is likely, but occasional penetration against a tank that isn't specifically design to counter the effect seems plausible, enough so to warrant taking shots as the opportunity presents itself. Although penetration has a lot more to it than just calibre...
Well, I looked at far too much just now, and still know nothing, so Imma jus' make summin' up usin' imagination...

Thigh Lass Seen rounds
The AC-18 is a good gun. We could do better, but that would take much effort for small rewards. Some efforts will be made to improve manufacturing processes, ease the ammunition handling, take off material where possible, add material where added strength could be leveraged. Materials and design have come a long way since this venerable weapon was first introduced, and we have learned much in the process of handling and producing it that can be very easily refined, but the main issue has been the limitations of the ammunition. While the ammunition issue could be resolved, it seemed easier to just make a general-purpose ammunition that would be highly effective against all targets. The new ammunition will be longer and heavier, and the weapon will require modification to handle it, but most autocannon engagements are either quick or involve fortified positions or vehicles which can store larger ammunition supplies.

Firstly, to add to penetration, the round has a heavy steal dart in its core that tapers towards the back. This core is surrounded by high explosives that detonate on a modest impact, propelling the core forwards and damaging surrounding soft material should it hit a soft target, inflicting large damage on the first soft target it hits with enough force to detonate, while pushing the core forwards to impact additional soft targets as appropriate. This is shielded by a soft aluminium case which in turn is backed with solid rocket fuel that is propelled out of slits on the outside facing towards the rear. These rocket-jets act to add visibility as a tracer and a mild incendiary effect upon anything it passes through while adding velocity. Further, it has a relatively large three-piece aluminium sleeve that protects the barrel from the heat of the rockets and reduces general barrel-wear but is ejected by the force of the rockets shortly after leaving the barrel. The low weight of the ejected sleeve allows the effectively smaller-calibre projectile to receive the majority of the force of the normal round, allowing a the core to be heavier compared to its calibre, improving its armour-piercing qualities. Finally, there is a small solid rocket fuel charge added to the standard charge, to detonate as it leaves the barrel, with the aluminium sleeve protecting the barrel. This allows the same initial force on the gun and only minor recoil increases while adding the additional force required to propel the heavier round.

While normally the more intense ammunition construction would be an issue, this is just an autocannon, the cost of fielding it will be cheap regardless.

[Sensei]

How about this alternative.

UF-AC-41 " Velociraptor"

The AS-AC-18 is our most common weapon, but it has sadly become outdated.  This new, modern variant is designed so that it can be integrated into any of our current designs that use it. It follows the same design principles as previous iterations of the guns, but thanks to modern technology and materials we have made great progress. Better springs, bolts, timing all allow great performance improvements. Fire rate is increased drastically, up to 800 rounds per minute. Muzzle velocity also increases by 25%-50%. In addition all our ammunition has been carefully re-balanced to ensure that all ammo types can be fired from the same gun without recalibration.

After doing some more research, it seems that the Hispano used some specialized systems to reach the performance it did, which won't easily be revised into your existing gun. Otherwise there's definitely a tradeoff between gun weight and muzzle energy.

Hard: 3
UF-AC-41 Velociraptor: This autocannon is a revision of AC18, with several improvements. The gun is a little more tolerant of different ammo weights and the shells have been modified so that mixed ammo belts are possible. The use of more advanced materials has allowed some parts to become lighter, while a heavier bolt and stronger spring allows a rate of fire of 750 RPM, with a final gun weight of 48kg. In infantry use, it has noticeably more recoil, but this is less of a concern on vehicles.

On an unrelated note NAV PM'ed me to ask if a new heavy machine gun could be retrofitted to replace Sorraias on vehicles for free. Usually yes in the case of ground vehicles, but aircraft are much more sensitive to changes in size and weight of their guns and would probably need to be revised.

We are now in the strategy phase. Last change to submit votes for who the Secret Police should investigate by PM; remember that votes from last turn are not counted and should be re-submitted.

[Powder Miner]

Push Mt. Konstantin (1): Powder Miner
Push Tereshkova Island (1): Powder Miner

get off our islandssss

[piratejoe]

Push Mt. Konstantin (2): Powder Miner, Piratejoe
Push Tereshkova Island (2): Powder Miner, Piratejoe

In the immortal words of cannalia's greatest enemy, Filthy gaijin go home.

[Powder Miner]

Juraki isn't Cannala's greatest enemy

[10ebbor10]

Push Mt. Konstantin (3): Powder Miner, Piratejoe, 10ebbor10
Push Tereshkova Island (3): Powder Miner, Piratejoe, 10ebbor10


Reintroduce Recoilless Rifle (1) : 10ebbor10

[Sheb]

Push Mt. Konstantin (3): Powder Miner, Piratejoe, 10ebbor10
Push Tereshkova Island (3): Powder Miner, Piratejoe, 10ebbor10


Reintroduce Recoilless Rifle (1) : 10ebbor10

Can I vote or does the invesitgation prevent that? But yeah, we should get our salty RR in deployment again.

[10ebbor10]

You can vote.

Says so in the turn.

[Kashyyk]

Push Mt. Konstantin (4): Powder Miner, Piratejoe, 10ebbor10, Kashyyk
Push Tereshkova Island (4): Powder Miner, Piratejoe, 10ebbor10, Kashyyk


Reintroduce Recoilless Rifle (3) : 10ebbor10, Sheb, Kashyyk

[NUKE9.13]

I think the RR was nixed for a reason. If we deploy it, the Cannalans might consider that a mandate to start deploying gas.

Push Mt. Konstantin (5): Powder Miner, Piratejoe, 10ebbor10, Kashyyk, NUKE9.13
Push Tereshkova Island (5): Powder Miner, Piratejoe, 10ebbor10, Kashyyk, NUKE9.13


Reintroduce Recoilless Rifle (3) : 10ebbor10, Sheb, Kashyyk

[andrea]

The gas was canonically lost.

That said, I am wary of reintroducing salty physics breaking devices.

[10ebbor10]

It doesn't break physics anymore though.

Sensei gave it HEAT shells to solve that issue.

[somemildmanneredidiot]

To confirm, the current vote pushes the Jungle, correct?

[10ebbor10]

Yup.

The plain island is called something else.