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Glorious Arstotzka

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Glorious Moskurg

13 (12.3%)

Ingloriously Didn't Play

76 (71.7%)

Total Members Voted: 106

[somemildmanneredidiot]

I must point out that saying "Sorry but you're going to have to go though channels with this one" is NOT the same as giving our allies (Genocidal though they might be) the rhetorical middle finger. Just sayin'.

(2) Send Germany Jet Schematics: evictedSaint, Madman198237
(1) Send Japan Jet Schematics: SMMI
(3) Tell Germany to stay out of our politics: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Khan Boyzitbig
(2) Give Seats to GNAPGANG: Kot, Sheb
(3) Tell hitler to come and ask in person or stay out. Point out sociaists are underground.: Andrea, Madman198237, SMMI
(3) Rename North Island 'Tereshkova': evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Andrea
(1) Rename North Island 'Vladenstien': SMMI
(1) Attack Top Lane: evictedSaint
(3) Attack Middle Lane: Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI
(4) Attack Bottom Lane: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI
(3) Grab Ore: Powder Miner, Andrea, Madman198237

[Powder Miner]

Nixed Void's vote there, SMMI

[Sheb]

(2) Send Germany Jet Schematics: evictedSaint, Madman198237
(1) Send Japan Jet Schematics: SMMI
(3) Tell Germany to stay out of our politics: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Khan Boyzitbig
(1) Give Seats to GNAPGANG: Kot
(4) Tell hitler to come and ask in person or stay out. Point out sociaists are underground.: Andrea, Madman198237, SMMI,, Sheb
(3) Rename North Island 'Tereshkova': evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Andrea
(2) Rename North Island 'Vladenstien': SMMI, Sheb
(1) Attack Top Lane: evictedSaint
(3) Attack Middle Lane: Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI
(4) Attack Bottom Lane: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI
(4) Grab Ore: Powder Miner, Andrea, Madman198237, Sheb

[andrea]

(2) Send Germany Jet Schematics: evictedSaint, Madman198237
(1) Send Japan Jet Schematics: SMMI
(1) Send axis a jet and schematics Andrea
(4) Tell Germany to stay out of our politics: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Khan Boyzitbig, Voidslayer
(1) Give Seats to GNAPGANG: Kot
(4) Tell hitler to come and ask in person or stay out. Point out sociaists are underground.: Andrea, Madman198237, SMMI,, Sheb
(3) Rename North Island 'Tereshkova': evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Andrea
(2) Rename North Island 'Vladenstien': SMMI, Sheb
(1) Attack Top Lane: evictedSaint
(3) Attack Middle Lane: Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI
(4) Attack Bottom Lane: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI
(4) Grab Ore: Powder Miner, Andrea, Madman198237, Sheb

Readded voidslayer.
Also, wording from last turn was: "Additionally, both alliances are interested in receiving a sample of your new jet aircraft." So, we have to send jets to the alliance, not just to germany of japan.

[Powder Miner]

"Vladenstein" What in the world? Are you trading an island name for Vlanlados support?

[stabbymcstabstab]

(2) Send Germany Jet Schematics: evictedSaint, Madman198237
(1) Send Japan Jet Schematics: SMMI
(1) Send axis a jet and schematics Andrea
(1) Send axis early Jet schematics Stabby
(4) Tell Germany to stay out of our politics: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Khan Boyzitbig, Voidslayer
(1) Give Seats to GNAPGANG: Kot
(5) Tell hitler to come and ask in person or stay out. Point out sociaists are underground.: Andrea, Madman198237, SMMI,, Sheb, Stabby
(4) Rename North Island 'Tereshkova': evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Andrea, Stabby
(2) Rename North Island 'Vladenstien': SMMI, Sheb
(1) Attack Top Lane: evictedSaint
(3) Attack Middle Lane: Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI
(4) Attack Bottom Lane: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI
(4) Grab Ore: Powder Miner, Andrea, Madman198237, Sheb

Readded voidslayer.
Also, wording from last turn was: "Additionally, both alliances are interested in receiving a sample of your new jet aircraft." So, we have to send jets to the alliance, not just to germany of japan.

If we are going to give the jets to the axis I say we send them the inferior earlier version as a "export" version.

[evictedSaint]

(1) Send Germany Jet Schematics: Madman198237
(1) Send Japan Jet Schematics: SMMI
(2) Send axis a jet and schematics Andrea, evictedSaint
(1) Send axis early Jet schematics Stabby
(3) Tell Germany to stay out of our politics: Powder Miner, Khan Boyzitbig, Voidslayer
(1) Give Seats to GNAPGANG: Kot
(6) Tell Hitler to come and ask in person or stay out. Point out sociaists are underground.: Andrea, Madman198237, SMMI, Sheb, Stabby, evictedSaint
(4) Rename North Island 'Tereshkova': evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Andrea, Stabby
(2) Rename North Island 'Vladenstien': SMMI, Sheb
(1) Attack Top Lane: evictedSaint
(3) Attack Middle Lane: Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI
(4) Attack Bottom Lane: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI
(5) Grab Ore: Powder Miner, Andrea, Madman198237, Sheb, evictedSaint

They're our allies.  Send them the best we have, no reason to purposefully fuck them over.

[RAM]

Also, wording from last turn was: "Additionally, both alliances are interested in receiving a sample of your new jet aircraft." So, we have to send jets to the alliance, not just to germany of japan.

(2) Send Germany Jet Schematics: evictedSaint, Madman198237
(1) Send Japan Jet Schematics: SMMI
(1) Send axis a jet and schematics Andrea
(1) Send Italy Schematics, jets, and trainers: RAM

(4) Tell Germany to stay out of our politics: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Khan Boyzitbig, Voidslayer
(1) Give Seats to GNAPGANG: Kot
(4) Tell hitler to come and ask in person or stay out. Point out sociaists are underground.: Andrea, Madman198237, SMMI,, Sheb

(3) Rename North Island 'Tereshkova': evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Andrea
(2) Rename North Island 'Vladenstien': SMMI, Sheb

(1) Attack Top Lane: evictedSaint
(3) Attack Middle Lane: Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI
(4) Attack Bottom Lane: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI

(4) Grab Ore: Powder Miner, Andrea, Madman198237, Sheb

[Powder Miner]

Your votebox is old -- overwrote eS and stabby

[Taricus]

Alright, having talked to Sensei, giving the seats to the NFPP is an option, and likely a better one due to having the freedom to develop our own strain of fascism rather than relying on the german version. Telling them to stay out would either weaken us, or just have them launch a coup. By sidestepping it, we could likely gain an espionage credit.

(1) Send Germany Jet Schematics: Madman198237
(1) Send Japan Jet Schematics: SMMI
(3) Send axis a jet and schematics Andrea, evictedSaint, Taricus
(1) Send axis early Jet schematics Stabby
(3) Tell Germany to stay out of our politics: Powder Miner, Khan Boyzitbig, Voidslayer
(1) Give Seats to GNAPGANG: Kot
(6) Tell Hitler to come and ask in person or stay out. Point out socialists are underground.: Andrea, Madman198237, SMMI, Sheb, Stabby, evictedSaint
(1) Compromise: Germany gives the seats to the NFPP
(5) Rename North Island 'Tereshkova': evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Andrea, Stabby, Taricus
(2) Rename North Island 'Vladenstien': SMMI, Sheb
(1) Attack Top Lane: evictedSaint
(5) Attack Middle Lane: Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI, Taricus
(6) Attack Bottom Lane: evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Madman198237, SMMI, Taricus
(6) Grab Ore: Powder Miner, Andrea, Madman198237, Sheb, evictedSaint, Taricus

[Powder Miner]

>just launch a coup
Let 'em. We're a country obsessed with guns and armor, we can just put 'em full of holes.

[Taricus]

Yeah, see they're gonna be a bit more careful than that, it's not going to be germans enacting it so much as it would be forenian. And in event of a coup? That could significantly weaken our fronts as the army has to move back to the mainland to re-establish the government's control.

[Powder Miner]

>so much as it would be Forenian
Yeah, Parliament is in fact armed for the exact eventuality of the NFPP throwing a coup. But if they do go a coup like you said they are pretty much throwing away their alliance, an alliance actively providing them with tech, so that seems unlikely.

Have you all considered that if Hitler actually has to drag himself all the way over to Forenia, he might provide a more punitive choice?

[Taricus]

Which means they're going to either be patient with the coup, or get the military directly involved. Again, neither option being particularly suitable for us. And if we do leave the axis, the soviet demands are going to be worse.

[Powder Miner]

You seem to be claiming that every negative consequence under the sun is a certainty, but I find the idea that they will throw a coup (something that divests them of their tech if it fails and that we are prepared for, and the results of which we would get anyway by giving in) or get the military directly involved (something that would derail the entire game even if they could reach us) both highly, highly unlikely.