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Glorious Arstotzka

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Glorious Moskurg

13 (12.3%)

Ingloriously Didn't Play

76 (71.7%)

Total Members Voted: 106

[Sheb]

Their landers are ships. This is an anti-ship gun. I don't know why you think it'd be ineffective?

[Khan Boyzitbig]

The speed of the landers isn't important. Unless they are sailing across our guns they cannot really avoid shell fire. They will be sailing towards us.
If you think they could feasibly dodge with a ship large enough to land a detachment of marines VS any kind of heavy gun then our tanks and artillery would be useless in combat against naval assault.

[3_14159]

It appears clear to me that there's only one thing that matters next turn: Keeping the jungle. Nothing else matters. Therefore, I'm voting for the UF-CAS-40 as a design. Revision should be obviously reducing jet complexity. Cheap thunderbirds.

Another advantage of the UF-CAS-40 is that it will probably include radar firecontrol, which will give us an advantage continuing radar development. Because if there's something I'd like to design, it's the Bat Bomb. Not the one you're thinking about, but the SWOD Mk. 9 Mod 0.

0 "Caviar Soup" support ship:
0 "Paralytic Sneeze" bombardment ship:
1 'Compensator' 300mm Coastal Gun:  Piratejoe
0 "Caviar Soup Again?" support ship:
1 Ray of Deadlier Death: Madman198237
8 UF-CAS-40 "Overcompensator" Coastal Artillery System: Sheb, 10ebbor10, evictedSaint, Khan Boyzitbig, NAV, Andrea, Kashyyk, Powder Miner

[Madman198237]

Large-caliber artillery/naval guns track REALLY slowly. Like, REALLY slowly. And fire slowly. So the things need to be in the kill zone for a long time or we won't get them all.

[Khan Boyzitbig]

300mm guns plus 50% greater range boost. That kill zone is easily 40km. We also will know exactly where they are coming from.

[Sheb]

You don't need to track fast at such large range. I mean, their landing ships are, well, ships. Naval guns are design to fight... ships.

[Madman198237]

You can't use a gun past about 20 miles on open ocean because you can't see much further than that. Especially if you don't have specialized long-base rangefinders.

[evictedSaint]

Hey Sheb, did you see the discussion about switching the name from CAS to HA?

[Azzuro]

0 "Caviar Soup" support ship:
0 "Paralytic Sneeze" bombardment ship:
1 'Compensator' 300mm Coastal Gun:  Piratejoe
0 "Caviar Soup Again?" support ship:
1 Ray of Deadlier Death: Madman198237
9 UF-CAS-40 "Overcompensator" Coastal Artillery System: Sheb, 10ebbor10, evictedSaint, Khan Boyzitbig, NAV, Andrea, Kashyyk, Powder Miner, Azzuro

Eh, voting for the coastal artillery as well.

Also, Madman, we have planes for fire spotting, and presumably we won't be completely devoid of ships to spot as well.

[Kashyyk]

The design also includes an integrated Radar range-finder.

[Khan Boyzitbig]

You can't use a gun past about 20 miles on open ocean because you can't see much further than that. Especially if you don't have specialized long-base rangefinders.

Thats still 32km which is still a considerable distance. Also we can blind fire beyond the horizon if we know the rough distance. Slows down any naval assault if its being shot from a literally unseeable target.

[Sheb]

Yeah, I saw part of that discussion. Still not a fan of HA to be honest. What about ASA (Anti-Ship Artillery)?

[evictedSaint]

Sure.  Artillery of that size won't be used against anything other than ships, anyways.

0 "Caviar Soup" support ship:
0 "Paralytic Sneeze" bombardment ship:
1 'Compensator' 300mm Coastal Gun:  Piratejoe
0 "Caviar Soup Again?" support ship:
1 Ray of Deadlier Death: Madman198237
9 UF-ASA-40 "Overcompensator" Anti-Ship Artillery: Sheb, 10ebbor10, evictedSaint, Khan Boyzitbig, NAV, Andrea, Kashyyk, Powder Miner, Azzuro

[3_14159]

You can't use a gun past about 20 miles on open ocean because you can't see much further than that. Especially if you don't have specialized long-base rangefinders.

You can, if you have something to spot. Planes, for example. In fact, that's what the seaplanes carried on cruisers and battleships were for. And no, I actually don't think the 30cm gun will work well against assault landing craft - it doesn't have to. Their use is to stop the enemy bombarding our smaller gun positions (the 90mm gun), which then kill landing craft. Except for the Walrus. They'll be easily able to kill them.

[Sheb]

Also, we have time. In D-Day, troops went down in landers 20 km from the shore and took three hours to get to their landing point (according to what I just read on wiki).