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[Madman198237]

Also, if we just use tech from 1910 we can outclass them to a massive degree. Building a simple Dreadnought-esque vessel would completely invalidate their Khornes entirely.

We build a 12-inch gun, real naval propulsion, and then its just putting a lot of armor to sea.

[Taricus]

And we'll need the guns first, since we can easily downscale the guns.

[Kashyyk]

(3) UFS-CV-40 'Tiger Star', Pattern A: evictedSaint, Andrea, Piratejoe
(1) UFS-CV-40 'Tiger Star', Pattern K: Kot
(1) B3 'Compensator' 300mm Coastal Gun/Naval Cannon: Kashyyk

[Khan Boyzitbig]

(3) UFS-CV-40 'Tiger Star', Pattern A: evictedSaint, Andrea, Piratejoe
(1) UFS-CV-40 'Tiger Star', Pattern K: Kot
(2) B3 'Compensator' 300mm Coastal Gun/Naval Cannon: Kashyyk, khan boyzitbig

[Taricus]

(3) UFS-CV-40 'Tiger Star', Pattern A: evictedSaint, Andrea, Piratejoe
(1) UFS-CV-40 'Tiger Star', Pattern K: Kot
(3) B3 'Compensator' 300mm Coastal Gun/Naval Cannon: Kashyyk, khan boyzitbig, Taricus

[Kot]

I don't think we should go the way of big guns. They will be useless on land, protection from naval invasions can be done in lot of other ways, some of them which exploit our strengths.
And if I recall correctly, we already outrange them anyway, thanks to rocket boosted shells. The accuracy and damage output is a problem.

[Taricus]

Correction, we equal their range. More to the point though the gun is intended to be downsized easily. so that we can mount larger guns onto the destroyers without a hassle.

[Azzuro]

First, double-deck carrier, inspired by Kot and discussed on Discord.

UFS-CV-40 DEVIL WEED Kot's Ramblings Zheleznogorod? name pending
The Zheleznogorod-class is United Forenia's answer to the Santos-class carriers fielded by Cannala. A purpose-built carrier, it is larger and longer than the Wasp Nest, but its most distinctive feature is the two stacked flight decks, both equipped with rocket-accelerated catapults to help our aircraft get up to speed and both terminating in ski jump ramps to ensure our planes start climbing immediately. A small number of planes can be parked at the rear of each flight deck in a ready condition, which in conjunction with launching from two runways allows the Zheleznogorod to scramble its fighters far faster than the Wasp Nest could. Three hydraulic lifts located at the middle and ends of the flight decks allow planes to be brought up from the hangar level below. A design element that is definitely not inspired by the Cannalans is the addition of an elevated tower island to starboard, counterbalanced by offsetting the engines to port, allowing the ship's commanders a better view of flight operations and appreciation of the battle situation. The edges of the upper deck contain a number of Bumblebee and AS-AC18s emplacements for defence, along with a safety netting to prevent careless sailors from falling into the ocean. The ship also has a medium armour torpedo belt, intended to offset its top-heaviness.


I am also against the big guns design, as Kot said, it doesn't play to our strengths (aircraft). I will admit, though, it does seem a lot simpler than a carrier, which will be needed as we will have to spend this turn's revision to make the jet engines non-[Complex] instead of on refining the design.

[Taricus]

If we go big guns AND carrier route though, we can make both of them our strengths and utterly devastate the cannalans on the seas.

[Kashyyk]

We need a naval presence, even if it's not going to be our focus or speciality. Choosing to neglect it in favour of aircraft is like cutting off your left arm because you're right handed anyway.

[NUKE9.13]

If we go big guns AND carrier route though, we can make both of them our strengths and utterly devastate the cannalans on the seas.

Jack of all trades, and master of all trades as well?

Nah, nah. Look, our biggest success at sea came at the hands of a carrier. Better carrier = more success.

[Kashyyk]

That's because the only other ship we've built is a destroyer, which has been tasked with going toe-to-toe with pocket battleships.

Building an actual battleship (which would fill a gaping hole in our naval forces) would seriously turn the tide.

[Strongpoint]

(3) UFS-CV-40 'Tiger Star', Pattern A: evictedSaint, Andrea, Piratejoe
(1) UFS-CV-40 'Tiger Star', Pattern K: Kot
(4) B3 'Compensator' 300mm Coastal Gun/Naval Cannon: Kashyyk, khan boyzitbig, Taricus, strongpoint

I am amazed that there are no huge bandwagon for the carrier. I like big guns. I would try 225mm to not make huge jumps but I tend to be way too cautious so nevermind

[Kot]

(3) UFS-CV-40 'Tiger Star', Pattern A: evictedSaint, Andrea, Piratejoe
(0) UFS-CV-40 'Tiger Star', Pattern K: CatamaranCat
(4) B3 'Compensator' 300mm Coastal Gun/Naval Cannon: Kashyyk, khan boyzitbig, Taricus, strongpoint
(1) UFS-CV-40 DEVIL WEED Kot's Ramblings Zheleznogorod?: Kot

[10ebbor10]

Nah, nah. Look, our biggest success at sea came at the hands of a carrier. Better carrier = more success.

You are ignoring the time element in design difficulty.

Going from 0 carrier to 1939 carrier is an enormous improvement. Going from 1939 carrier to 1940 carrier is a tiny improvement. But both will be just as hard.

For reference :

UFS-CV 'Wasp Nest' 38, Pattern A: Forenia's first aircraft carrier, and their biggest ship by far compared to the CV22 cargo ship and Archer. Its hull contains four of the turbines used to power the Archer, and is unarmored except for a torpedo belt. ABout a dozen planes stored belowdecks are lifted by a single hydraulic lift. The command center is below-decks, so that the wooden flight deck almost completely covers the ship, giving it a low, flat appearance. There are two Bumblebee AA guns on each side, one deck below on exposed platforms, plus several AC18's for point defense. The last important feature is a set of arresting cables on deck allowing planes to land safely, these catch hooks on the planes themselves, and are lowered out of the way for takeoff. [4 Ore, 2 Oil]

Santos-Class Naval Aircraft Support Vessel: [Expensive] The Santos is a large aircraft carrier. It is about the size of the Khorne but not armored. It's powered by four oil-burning steam turbines, which are more powerful than coal ones. The hangar deck stores two dozen fighters, moved to the flight deck by a hydraulic lift. On deck is an Eagle Eye Radar system, con tower, a few Firecracker AA guns and a miscellaneous autocannons wherever there's spare room. It also has a decent sized flight deck, with an arrester cable for landing aircraft. Unfortunately the deck configuration with the guns, radar and cable system doesn't leave room for ready planes on deck. [5 Ore, 4 Oil]

A carrier that can carry 1 dozen fighters costs 4 ore, 2 oil
A carrier that can carry 2 dozen fighters costs 5 ore, 4 oil.

All proposed carriers are far larger and more complex, and will hence run into costs of 6-7 ore and 4-5 oil. At that point, they can no longer be deployed in meaningfull numbers.