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Glorious Arstotzka

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Total Members Voted: 106

[Powder Miner]

M4 Kiger HMG: (0)
BLOODLESS EAGLE: (1) Taricus
BLOODIER EAGLE: (0)
Chum: (0)
'Archer' Pattern F: (3)Wolfhunter107, Helmacon, Baffler
'Archer' Pattern G: (2) NAV, Happerry
"Reachr" Ship Destroyer: (0)
UF-ALR-40 'SHARUKH:(2) Strongpoint, RAM
UF-ABR-40 "Shower Curtain":(1) VoidSlayer
SHMG-40 "War Horse" :(6) Mulisa, Madman198237, Piratejoe, evictedSaint, GUNINANRUNIN, Stabby
UF-AC-40: (1) Kashyyk
Infantry QoL: (4) NUKE9.13, Azzuro, Andrea, Powder Miner

Fuck it, I've been agreeing with this idea when it hasn't gotten in the way of something I want more for a while. J-j-j-jungle it.

[RAM]

I am not sure about bayonets, I doubt that they are all that effective for clearing a path through jungle...

[Taricus]

M4 Kiger HMG: (0)
BLOODLESS EAGLE: (0)
BLOODIER EAGLE: (0)
Chum: (0)
'Archer' Pattern F: (3)Wolfhunter107, Helmacon, Baffler
'Archer' Pattern G: (2) NAV, Happerry
"Reachr" Ship Destroyer: (0)
UF-ALR-40 'SHARUKH:(2) Strongpoint, RAM
UF-ABR-40 "Shower Curtain":(1) VoidSlayer
SHMG-40 "War Horse" :(6) Mulisa, Madman198237, Piratejoe, evictedSaint, GUNINANRUNIN, Stabby
UF-AC-40: (1) Kashyyk
Infantry QoL: (5) NUKE9.13, Azzuro, Andrea, Powder Miner, Taricus

Better improved infantry in general than a HMG that'll see limited use.

[Kashyyk]

Let assume we make it 35kg. What will change?

For a start, 5kg more ammo. Or 5kg less for tanks,  planes or infantry to carry around. You're also forgetting that the revision will improve ammo swapping,  general reliability, accuracy and cost improvements that will be applicable due to it being a 22 year old design.

Instead, people are suggesting we use a revision to create basically the same weapon, from scratch, without armour piercing capability.

As such, I will tactically switch have my vote to QoL as well. I'd prefer the auto cannon,  but this will still be way more useful than a SHMG.

M4 Kiger HMG: (0)
BLOODLESS EAGLE: (0)
BLOODIER EAGLE: (0)
Chum: (0)
'Archer' Pattern F: (3)Wolfhunter107, Helmacon, Baffler
'Archer' Pattern G: (2) NAV, Happerry
"Reachr" Ship Destroyer: (0)
UF-ALR-40 'SHARUKH:(2) Strongpoint, RAM
UF-ABR-40 "Shower Curtain":(1) VoidSlayer
SHMG-40 "War Horse" :(7) Mulisa, Madman198237, Piratejoe, evictedSaint, GUNINANRUNIN, Stabby
UF-AC-40: (0)
Infantry QoL: (6) NUKE9.13, Azzuro, Andrea, Kashyyk, Powder Miner, Taricus

PPEdit: Omg stop posting!

[piratejoe]

Okay, I want to make some things clear here, take a guess where the cannalians have attacked the past 3? 4? turns, the jungle. Look, the HMG is needed because ours is old and outdated and can be much better just modernizing it. Now, think about it, this helps everywhere just like the QOL but instead of just making our solders happier and maybe a bit more effecent, this will be very very useful.

[Strongpoint]

5kg less on aircraft\tank it is less than a fraction of% of fighter's\tank mass. I doubt that Sensei tries to simulate the game to that level of detail. Same applies to gloves and mosquito nets.

Advanced primer ignition blowback cannon and conventional heavy machine gun are the same weapon... sure.

M4 Kiger HMG: (0)
BLOODLESS EAGLE: (0)
BLOODIER EAGLE: (0)
Chum: (0)
'Archer' Pattern F: (3)Wolfhunter107, Helmacon, Baffler
'Archer' Pattern G: (2) NAV, Happerry
"Reachr" Ship Destroyer: (0)
UF-ALR-40 'SHARUKH:(1) RAM
UF-ABR-40 "Shower Curtain":(1) VoidSlayer
SHMG-40 "War Horse" :(7) Mulisa, Madman198237, Piratejoe, evictedSaint, GUNINANRUNIN, Stabby, strongpoint
UF-AC-40: (0)
Infantry QoL: (6) NUKE9.13, Azzuro, Andrea, Kashyyk, Powder Miner, Taricus

[Kashyyk]

Advanced primer ignition blowback cannon and conventional heavy machine gun are the same weapon... sure.

The updated autocannon is not an APIB but a conventional design, to allow immediate swapping of ammo types.

Both are large caliber, automatic firearms designed to be used in emplacements or on vehicles. Both can use a variety of ammo types, and shred infantry. The only difference is the autocannon can also penetrate light armour. There is no situation where the SHMG would be better than the AC40, and the only advantage the SHMG has over the AC18 is instantaneous ammo swapping.

[3_14159]

Secodning QoL - I would've voted for the parachutes or the AC-40, too. However, the War Horse is too small of an improvement for something we're not yet using anyway. Instead,
Order: Continue production of the Stallion

M4 Kiger HMG: (0)
BLOODLESS EAGLE: (0)
BLOODIER EAGLE: (0)
Chum: (0)
'Archer' Pattern F: (3)Wolfhunter107, Helmacon, Baffler
'Archer' Pattern G: (2) NAV, Happerry
"Reachr" Ship Destroyer: (0)
UF-ALR-40 'SHARUKH:(1) RAM
UF-ABR-40 "Shower Curtain":(1) VoidSlayer
SHMG-40 "War Horse" :(7) Mulisa, Madman198237, Piratejoe, evictedSaint, GUNINANRUNIN, Stabby, strongpoint
UF-AC-40: (0)
Infantry QoL: (7) NUKE9.13, Azzuro, Andrea, Kashyyk, Powder Miner, Taricus, 3_14159

Order:
Continue production of the Stallion: (1) 3_14159

[RAM]

5kg less on aircraft\tank it is less than a fraction of% of fighter's\tank mass. I doubt that Sensei tries to simulate the game to that level of detail. Same applies to gloves and mosquito nets.

Advanced primer ignition blowback cannon and conventional heavy machine gun are the same weapon... sure.

A wieght reduction should add something, more ammunition is a sensible outlet. It could also produce stronger wings if they are wing-mounted or better control if you make the nose lighter. Aeroplanes are not just about total mass, but also balance. More to the point, 5 kilograms is an eighth of 40 kilograms, that is significant. If 5 kilograms is completely irrelevant than 40 is not much different. There are reasons why we don't slap on 8 twenty-millimetre autocannons on the nose and the same on each wing with every design. We are not designing luxury passenger planes for the obscenely wealthy who care more about comfort than speed. We are designing state-of-the-art combat jets for desperate contests in the open skies. Every gram matters. And every gram counts doubly if it can't be put in the centre without shooting the pilot.

Model 1940 Zootsuit:
We update the Yellowjacket to use the latest V12 and propellor, remove the machine guns, 50% autocannon ammo, add some structural bracing, get all the weight into the centre-line and throw the thing into a wind-tunnel for a month to tweak it until it is more agile than anything that we have ever seen before, then do everything else that we can think of...

M4 Kiger HMG: (0)
BLOODLESS EAGLE: (0)
BLOODIER EAGLE: (0)
Chum: (0)
'Archer' Pattern F: (3)Wolfhunter107, Helmacon, Baffler
'Archer' Pattern G: (2) NAV, Happerry
"Reachr" Ship Destroyer: (0)
UF-ALR-40 'SHARUKH:()
UF-ABR-40 "Shower Curtain":(1) VoidSlayer
SHMG-40 "War Horse" :(7) Mulisa, Madman198237, Piratejoe, evictedSaint, GUNINANRUNIN, Stabby, strongpoint
UF-AC-40: (0)
Infantry QoL: ( NUKE9.13, Azzuro, Andrea, Kashyyk, Powder Miner, Taricus, 3_14159, RAM

Order:
Continue production of the Stallion: (1) 3_14159

[NUKE9.13]

I doubt that Sensei tries to simulate the game to that level of detail. Same applies to gloves and mosquito nets.

Well, yes, obviously. But the individual items are just examples of the sort of thing that go into the whole. Sure, by themselves, they will have almost no impact. But all together, they will make an appreciable difference. We're not asking Sensei to calculate the 0.5% morale penalty caused by mosquito bites, we're asking him to abstract all those little things together into a 10-20% boost to our infantry's effectiveness.

Okay, I want to make some things clear here, take a guess where the cannalians have attacked the past 3? 4? turns, the jungle. Look, the HMG is needed because ours is old and outdated and can be much better just modernizing it. Now, think about it, this helps everywhere just like the QOL but instead of just making our solders happier and maybe a bit more effecent, this will be very very useful.

Did you not read the quote above about HMGs not being especially useful for infantry in the jungle, due to being too heavy to move around conveniently, and too easy to outflank in stationary positions?
This is it, in case you missed it. Note the bolded part:

Besides vehicle-mounted weapons, the heavy weapons companies in a World War II U.S. Army infantry battalion or regiment were each issued one M2 Browning with tripod (ground) mount. Mounted on a heavily sandbagged tripod, the M2HB proved very useful in either a defensive role or to interdict or block road intersections from use by German infantry and motorized forces. Hearing the sound of an M2 could often cause enemy infantry to take cover. There are numerous instances of the M2 Browning being used against enemy personnel, particularly infantry assaults or for interdiction or elimination of enemy artillery observers or snipers at distances too great for ordinary infantry weapons.

The M2HB was not widely used in the Pacific campaign for several reasons, including the weight of the gun, the nature of infantry jungle combat, and because road intersections were usually easily outflanked. However, it was used by fast-moving motorized forces in the Philippines to destroy Japanese blocking units on the advance to Manila. The quad mount .50 was also used to destroy Japanese emplacements.

In other words, it would be useful on vehicles, but vehicles are not the most important thing in the jungle.

[Madman198237]

The War Horse HMG/Super-HMG will be an invaluable asset for defense. The firerate is better than any autocannon, even though it's still slow. The M2 Browning wasn't exactly doing Hitler's Buzzsaw with 1000+ RPM, after all. It was relatively slow-firing. But when the enemy realizes that your average full-grown tree doesn't provide any cover, infantry assaults are going to go to a standstill. Plus, it will give us additional guns on the line----it supplements the autocannons, not replaces them. It is meant to be mobile, portable in, say, three-man teams (Two guys lugging the gun and some ammo, one with the tripod and a lot of ammo), or two-man with the cart.
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/maxim_crews.jpg

That image is about what I'm thinking of. It's probably slightly upscaled from that, but with a bit of modification that cart, can carry ammo as well. IRL, the cart can be moved and used by a 2-man team and carries a .50 cal Russian HMG.

We're not automatically adding the things onto aircraft. Unless it adds no difficulty. But think about it: This is going to be, at most, Normal difficulty. It's a gun, been in production for decades, that we understand. Not to mention, it's hideously outdated and doesn't use modern advancements, making it easy for a modern engineer to say "Oh wow, we can just do this and this like our LMG/MMGs and this like the autocannons and BOOM, it's better". We have a lot of engineering basis for keeping weights down (On the autocannon, I believe) and also for higher firerates (Sorraia) and all of that fun stuff. Anything else is tempting fate with the difficulty.

[NAV]

M4 Kiger HMG: (0)
BLOODLESS EAGLE: (0)
BLOODIER EAGLE: (0)
Chum: (0)
'Archer' Pattern F: (3)Wolfhunter107, Helmacon, Baffler
'Archer' Pattern G: (1) Happerry
"Reachr" Ship Destroyer: (0)
UF-ALR-40 'SHARUKH:()
UF-ABR-40 "Shower Curtain":(1) VoidSlayer
SHMG-40 "War Horse" :(7) Mulisa, Madman198237, Piratejoe, evictedSaint, GUNINANRUNIN, Stabby, strongpoint
UF-AC-40: (0)
Infantry QoL: (9) NUKE9.13, Azzuro, Andrea, Kashyyk, Powder Miner, Taricus, 3_14159, RAM, NAV

Order:
Continue production of the Stallion: (2) 3_14159, NAV

[Madman198237]

Infantry QoL is likely going to be too big for a revision. Look at the list: How extensive is it? How much of it do we have a basis for? Also, is it worth it? And I'd say, heck no. Not the one linked in the vote box. Where's the extended list?

At the very least (It won't change my vote, but if it's going to happen at least change it), have it update the uniforms away from the twenty-year-old Arstotzkan ones. Perhaps a splash of modern camouflage theory, a bit of metal covering critical areas, that sort of thing.

[NAV]

Here is the full QOL list. I divided it into two sections: uniform and equipment.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Equipment
-Binoculars. We've enough experience with lenses that we can surely design a decent pair.
-Medkits. A little first aid can save hundreds of lives. More to the point, knowing that help is available improves morale.
-Bayonets. Sometimes you just need a knife. On the end of your gun. A big knife.
-Entrenching tools (foldable/collapsible spades). Double as highly effective melee/throwing weapons. Just ask the Spetsnaz. Also, foxholes are good for paratroopers.
-Engineering equipment (Sandbags, dedicated tools like wire cutters, barbed wire/razor wire, small axes, pickaxes, etc). Aimed at improving the quality of our minefields, traps, and defensive positions.
-Healthier and tastier rations. A well-fed soldier is a hard fighter.
-Flashlights. Hands free, attachable to guns or helmets. Different coloured lens filters to use for signaling.
-Flares and flareguns
-Cricket (or other innocuous animal) noisemaker. Sounds like a cricket. "Operation was simple: If someone approached, you clicked your cricket, making the most innocuous of night-time sounds. If the passer-by clicked back, you knew you had encountered a friendly comrade." (This is based on a real thing, by the way)
-Improved compasses and navigation equipment.
-At least 3 different ways of starting a fire (lighter, matches, flint&steel).
-Mosquito nets. Our soldiers in the jungle will praise our name to the high heavens if we can deliver this.
-Plastic explosive demolition charges.

Uniform revision
-Manganese steel helmets and vests. Can't kill what they can't kill. Wait a minute....
-Better Parachutes: Basic steering and possibly higher weight capacity increase our paratroopers' self-reliance.
-Boots. A good pair of boots. Infantry love boots. Goal: excellent hiking boots with minor protection from shrapnel (As in, made of tough fibers. Not metal.)
-Vests, bags, bandoliers, pockets and pouches, even elbow ones. Carry capacity for soldiers---more ammo means more bang-bang-bang-bang-bang means more kills, means more survivability, means a place to put everything we're about to drop on them
-Sunglasses. You try shooting someone with the sun in your eyes.
-Waterproof camo cloaks.
-Knee and elbow pads.
-Gloves, fire resistant and capable of fast-roping or rock-climbing or similar hard-wearing activities.
-Fire retardant uniforms. We've got flamethrowers running around here!
-Winter and tropical versions of the uniforms.
-dim glow in the dark patches, can be worn on back. Allows troops to spread out more in the dark. (Based on a real thing)

[Madman198237]

Then link THAT, please. The other one is shortened and wasteful of a revision.