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[piratejoe]

fine, we'll go for something reasonable.

UF-39-APC "Croc": (6) NUKE9.13, Azzuro, evictedSaint, NAV, Kashyyk, Baffler
-Rename Bullfrog: (0)
-Rename Salamander and add flamethrower: (2) Kashyyk, Piratejoe
-Rename Salamander and upgun to 37mm's: (2) evictedSaint, Baffler
-Rename Salamander and upgun to 37mm's AND flamethrower variants: (3) Azzuro, NAV
UF-40-H/MB-T 'Demolisher': (1) Taricus
UF-HAT-39-B"Vanguard": (1) Khan Boyzitbig

[10ebbor10]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA

[Azzuro]

UF-39-APC "Croc": (6) NUKE9.13, Azzuro, evictedSaint, NAV, Kashyyk, Baffler
-Rename Bullfrog: (0)
-Rename Salamander and add flamethrower: (2) Kashyyk, Piratejoe
-Rename Salamander and upgun to 37mm's: (3) evictedSaint, Baffler, Azzuro
-Rename Salamander and upgun to 37mm's AND flamethrower variants: (1) NAV
UF-40-H/MB-T 'Demolisher': (1) Taricus
UF-HAT-39-B"Vanguard": (1) Khan Boyzitbig

ONE TONNE OF BOMBS! :V

[evictedSaint]

We should also mention priority on floating.  If magalloy and medium armor proves to be too heavy, it should scale down protection accordingly.  We can buff it again with ERA or NERA whenever we get around to developing it.

[helmacon]

UF-39-APC "Croc": (7) NUKE9.13, Azzuro, evictedSaint, NAV, Kashyyk, Baffler, Helmacon
-Rename Bullfrog: (0)
-Rename Salamander and add flamethrower: (2) Kashyyk, Piratejoe
-Rename Salamander and upgun to 37mm's: (4) evictedSaint, Baffler, Azzuro, Helmacon
-Rename Salamander and upgun to 37mm's AND flamethrower variants: (1) NAV
UF-40-H/MB-T 'Demolisher': (1) Taricus
UF-HAT-39-B"Vanguard": (1) Khan Boyzitbig

ONE TONNE OF BOMBS! :V

[Kashyyk]

UF-39-APC "Salamander"
Following the basic frame of a T-2 Breaker, this eight-wheeled all terrain vehicle is designed to carry a squad of infantry, plus support gear (tiger armour & squad weapons for example). The first and last wheels are for power and steering. It is fitted with a turreted 32mm Autocannon,  designed as a direct descendent of the AC18, plus coaxial Sorraia. The armour is Medium all round and beveled to keep the T-2 shape whilst deflecting poor shots.  Additionally, it uses one unit of Manganese alloy to improve armour further. It has a rear access ramp, as well as two side doors, all rubber sealed. It is designed to achieve 64km/h on smooth ground, 32km/h on rough, and has a pair of screw propellers to allow  slow  movement across water. It can thus fjord small waterways and swamps and float across larger ones.


I have updated the Salamander (née Croc) based on people's suggestions and Sensei's comments.

[piratejoe]

Dude, flamethrower is much better in the jungle then a simple gun, especially in an ambush. Besides, its called a salamander, if it doesn't have a flamethrower its name wouldn't make sense.

[Strongpoint]

Flamethrower tank may be a useful revision but it absolutely needs to be a revision, a tank, and without main gun.

APC with flamethrower is nothing but a way to kill your own soldiers

I doubt that APC will be enough to gain advantage but we shall see.

[evictedSaint]

32km autocannon? 

What is a "TV" shape?

Flamethrower won't be as useful elsewhere.  Let's design a generally useful APC before we start tacking on bells and whistles that are helpful in one specific theater.  A flamethrower cant compare to a 37 mm round

[NUKE9.13]

32km Autocannon

That's a BIG autocannon.

But seriously. Let's not even upscale the AC. The Raider only has light armour, surely the 20mm can penetrate that?

I'm on board with naming it the Salamander, though. Maybe if we roll a 6 we get a version with a flamethrower on.

E: Also, you didn't answer Sensei's question as to whether it is all-wheel, 2-wheel or somewhereinbetween-wheel drive.

[Baffler]

If we want an infantry support vehicle, we can try for an assault gun. It'll fill the same role, but more versatile since flamethrowers don't seem do very well in theaters other than the jungle. How's this for a revision?

UF-39-ISV "Striker"
A T2 Breaker, modified to better fit its increasing role in infantry support and clearing defensive emplacements. It has been fitted with light armor skirts around the outside of the treads, and the majority of its AP shells have been replaced with HE and fragmentation shells. The barrel of its main gun has also been shortened to increase fire rate and allow for more sustained firing and a faster turret rotation speed, at the cost of some armor piercing capability. Finally, the tank has been fitted with a pintle-mounted Sorraia machinegun with a front-facing shield, and mounts for a bulldozer blade to assist in clearing mines and other obstructions.

[Kashyyk]

That would be autocorrect trying to help.  Fixed now.

[NUKE9.13]

NUKE9.13 - Today at 7:48 PM
I think you should be negotiating down, not up.
How about it destroys half a tank?
Oh, @Sensei , can the AC-18 penetrate the Raider's armour?
Azzuro - Today at 7:50 PM
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Sensei - Today at 7:51 PM
Yeah, on a good hit.

We don't need to upscale. All we need to beat their Raiders is manoeuvrability. Let's increase our chance of getting it by keeping the design simple-ish, and not tacking on extras before the thing is even built.

[Strongpoint]

Being greedy is bad. Proved by the last fighter CAS and reactive armor attempt. Most of our designs are too greedy, carrier(saved by 6), radar, ERA, Haast. It is not a winning strategy.

[evictedSaint]

Alright, all it needs to do is be able to kill Raiders, so 20 mm's is perfectly acceptable.

Why are we sticking with the T2 shape when we're designing a brand new vehicle?  Let's do a better hexagon cross-section.  Flat top, flat bottom, squashed sides.  Akin to the Bradly IFV.