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Glorious Arstotzka

17 (16%)

Glorious Moskurg

13 (12.3%)

Ingloriously Didn't Play

76 (71.7%)

Total Members Voted: 106

[andrea]

Also, i will remind everyone that we don't have to spend the credit now, we can save it.

[Powder Miner]

Whoa whoa whoa, no, our air superiority is in danger and that's the biggest linchpin of our entire strategy, waiting a turn to secure it is a very poor idea.

I think if we should take anything away from the last few turns, it's that planes will only get us so far while the Cannalans are well on their way to passing us in ground tech, and have long since passed us in naval tech. We need to branch out and keep up in other fields if we're going to stop them from advancing past the jungle and cutting off our fuel supplies. Here's something ambitious, to make the most of the research credit.

But our air munitions are big bonuses for us on both land and at sea, so what you're doing is basically saying "let's get a fresh start!" while throwing your arms joyously in the air, instead of blocking the brick heading for your face (the danger to air superiority).

[Mulisa]

4 UFAF-1938-W 'Haast'(Using a research credit.): Lightforger, evictedSaint, Powder Miner, Poiratejoe
0 The UF-SHB-39 Ice Giant:
1 UF-F-39 "Yastreb"(Using a research credit): Mulisa
0 UF-MA-Ta/Fa "Cacophonous Pseudonym":

[evictedSaint]

-snip-

As Light has addressed my concerns with the Haast, I retract my design proposal.

[Light forger]

Ok, so in discord their has been a debate going on about if the Haast should carry bombs. The basic argument is A: adding the bomb carry weight to the Haast is going to make it worse and B: even if it does carry bombs(like nearly every fighter did) that's too much. The thing is they are right and by right I mean technically right. It will make it worse in the same way driving with a dog in your car makes it 'worse'. Even fairly light fighter still weighed tons and the total weight of the supports need to carry a metric ton of bombs is under a fifty kilograms. On part B: this is a fighter armed with a massive super-charged fuel-injected V-12 it's not strapped for power. Sensei doesn't use specific numbers because, he's not a fool but, it's going to be making around 1,400-1,800 horse power. That is on par with many mid-war fighters that carried a metric ton of bombs. The Corsair carried two metric tons of bombs and was a great fighter as well.

On that note let's talk about torpedo bombers. Early in WW2 they where normally light bombers as early fighter couldn't carry torpedoes that were effective against ships. As the war when on people figured out that since you don't need a bomb bay for a torpedo bomber you could just mount a huge engine into a fighter and use that as a torpedo bomber. A funny thing happened here with these planes(when not loaded with torpedoes), they worked better then the more modestly engined fighters they were based off. In the end people just stopped making pure torpedo bombers and instead made these new fighters with huge engines to serve both roles. Let's skip that middle bit eh?

[piratejoe]

3 UFAF-1938-W 'Haast'(Using a research credit.): Lightforger, evictedSaint, Powder Miner
1 UFAF-1938-W 'Haast'(Without using a resarch credit.): Piratejoe
0 The UF-SHB-39 Ice Giant:
1 UF-F-39 "Yastreb"(Using a research credit): Mulisa
0 UF-MA-Ta/Fa "Cacophonous Pseudonym":

I feel it, we will get a 6, let us save the research credit for project blood eagle

[Powder Miner]

"I feel it, we will get a 6" doesn't sound awfully convincing to me.

[Chiefwaffles]

3 UFAF-1938-W 'Haast'(Using a research credit.): Lightforger, evictedSaint, Powder Miner
1 UFAF-1938-W 'Haast'(Without using a resarch credit.): Piratejoe
1 UFAF-F39 'Birdeater' Pattern A (No Research Credit): Chiefwaffles
0 The UF-SHB-39 Ice Giant:
1 UF-F-39 "Yastreb"(Using a research credit): Mulisa
0 UF-MA-Ta/Fa "Cacophonous Pseudonym":

Definitely don't think the research credit is a good idea here.
We need a good air superiority fighter. Bombing isn't really an issue here; we need to keep our bombers safe and their bombers away and that's exactly what the Birdeater does.

[RAM]

So... Nobody is interested in my insane suggestion for an aeroplane that can be converted from a dedicated torpedo bomber into a sort-of not-terrible heavy fighter in a matter of hours, geting us both in one design and setting us on the path for many future designs in the future with this same wonderous technology? *Sighs* Some people just hate omnimechs...

[evictedSaint]

4 UFAF-F39 'Haast':
    3 Using a research credit: Lightforger, evictedSaint, Powder Miner
    1 Without using a research credit: Piratejoe
0 The UF-SHB-39 Ice Giant:
1 UF-F-39 "Yastreb"(Using a research credit): Mulisa
0 UF-MA-Ta/Fa "Cacophonous Pseudonym":

Sorry, waffles.  I've retracted my design proposal.  The Haast is the better choice.

To quote Sensei: "Pro Tip: Combination fighter-bombers are normally assumed to bring the correct loadout for the job, EG; no bombs if they're intercepting, lots of bombs if they're bombing, and if necessary fly in mixed squads of loaded/unloaded planes."

[Light forger]

Quick note about some albeit small changes to the Haast. The name was updated to match our system and, some minor changes suggest by evictedSaint were added. Which were an improved oxygen system and specifying manganese-alloy armor for the pilot's 'tub'.

[Chiefwaffles]

Well now I just feel betrayed.

[Mulisa]

Well now I just feel betrayed.

*walks up to Waffles in a dark alleyway opening a trenchcoat slightly*

"Psst, kid? Wanna buy some Motorjet engine?"

[evictedSaint]

Well now I just feel betrayed.

sorry :c

As much as I'd love to have another one of my designs get voted for, I think Light's idea is a solid one that could result in a fighter that lasts us till the end of the war (thus saving us from having to spend a Revision to upgrade it like we did with the Stinger, or a Design to build an entirely new dive/torpedo bomber or fighter).

[RAM]

4 UFAF-F39 'Haast':
    3 Using a research credit: Lightforger, evictedSaint, Powder Miner
    1 Without using a research credit: Piratejoe
0 The UF-SHB-39 Ice Giant:
1 UF-F-39 "Yastreb"(Using a research credit): Mulisa
1 UF-MA-Ta/Fa "Cacophonous Pseudonym": RAM

Voting for myself because all the cool kids do it. And I am clearly one of the cool kids...