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[Sirus]

ah crap, I forgot about Daunt.

Oh well, the enemy rolled well enough to hit anyway.

[SeriousConcentrate]

I... edited to attack the axe guy though. >.>

[Sirus]

Timestamp shows that you edited after I posted. Sorry 

[SeriousConcentrate]

Shit, should've edited and then replied to Taric. XD I got your post here in OOC and your IC post's timestamps confused. Guess I'll edit it back.

[Gaterhyme]

Iron Pilum's marked as a 1-2 range weapon on Yara's sheet, but I'm pretty sure that the 1.3 handbook has it as a 2 range weapon only. 1-2 range probably makes it more powerful than I was expecting.

Was this a rule change, or am I missing something?

[Sirus]

That would be an error on my part. I had thought that pilums were range 1-2 weapons but didn't check the handbook properly enough.

[Gaterhyme]

I think they probably were at some point (I read FEF2, and I think Miguel was using pilums at close range?) but were changed due to guaranteed doubles being powerful.

Or maybe I'm just imagining things. ><

[SeriousConcentrate]

No, I think they were, but then someone argued that pilums were only distance weapons because they are intentionally made weak so that they bend and make shields useless when they get stuck in them, or something like that.

[Tiruin]

No, I think they were, but then someone argued that pilums were only distance weapons because they are intentionally made weak so that they bend and make shields useless when they get stuck in them, or something like that.

Yep! I remember that argument--it was also discussed on one of Bay12's weapon pages, just like throwing axes and such, they are lightweight to help their purpose. Really not useful when in melee however, if anyone has felt using one themselves. Lightweight and smaller, but in the trade-off of usually being thrown, they could be carried better, stacked, and were used for non-archer troops. That bit about the shields is also a good point given it getting stuck, the added weight for imbalancing the wearer, and generally being fairly deadly for a thrower in between the range of a hunting (not a war) bow and from the reach of one's melee weapon.

[Chevaleresse]

No, I think they were, but then someone argued that pilums were only distance weapons because they are intentionally made weak so that they bend and make shields useless when they get stuck in them, or something like that.

Pretty much. Pilums basically destroyed themselves on hit, using one as a melee weapon would be a bad idea.

[SeriousConcentrate]

Makes you wonder why the Pilum was actually a really good lance-type weapon for Create-A-Souls in Soul Calibur 3, doesn't it?

[Solymr]

Postimg won't load on phone so I can't see map v:

[Chevaleresse]

http://prntscr.com/eprp43

[Solymr]

That works even worse >:v

[Chevaleresse]

now quit yer whinin'